tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post2838891109962954259..comments2024-03-28T06:53:10.383+00:00Comments on MinerBumping.com: Heart of Blackness, Part 2MinerBumpinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16932737268774492206noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-65614637472999013492014-03-29T16:31:02.909+00:002014-03-29T16:31:02.909+00:00Necro bump...
"Alistair DrakeMarch 28, 2014 ...Necro bump...<br /><br />"Alistair DrakeMarch 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM<br />They have to be reimbursed because they won't get insurance payout on ships they use to gank. It used to work like that but that aspect has been nerfed"<br /><br />Sooo they aren't willing to lose isk them self, thanks for the confirmation.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-24838671811110060902014-03-28T17:42:10.990+00:002014-03-28T17:42:10.990+00:00@Anon 2:42
They have to be reimbursed because the...@Anon 2:42<br /><br />They have to be reimbursed because they won't get insurance payout on ships they use to gank. It used to work like that but that aspect has been nerfed.<br /><br />@Mr. Wee<br /><br />I'm afraid I'm not making it up when it comes to in-game assets, CCP can really pull the plug on anyone at any time and are not required to give an explanation. Sohkar could have just as easily walked away from even the first play. In fact, he even decried E1 as a scammer.<br /><br />And I'm also intrigued that many of the anti-E1 supporters supposedly (I'm not entirely sure how many) seem to think Sohkar is cleared of all his conduct on the teamspeak just because they can claim that E1 was 'torturing' him. We all know that we don't give our consent to be bullied or tortured. He could have just bitten the bullet and left.<br /><br />However I come to my conclusion; no I don't entirely approve of what's happened, the conduct on both sides is rather atrocious, but there's nothing I can do about it now and I think it's best left to be dropped.<br /><br />Good points in the argument Mr. Wee, I commend you for it. Hope I can come back to a different debate and have a better argument to give you.Alistair Drakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-45152572621399645092014-03-28T16:55:52.756+00:002014-03-28T16:55:52.756+00:00@Alistair.
You're nitpicking words in lue of ...@Alistair.<br /><br />You're nitpicking words in lue of a well constructed argument. <br /><br />"Logical assumption" is not an oxymoron. One can use logic to narrow down factors and then subsequently make an assumption based on it. Whilst this is often called a hypothesis, logical assumption is perfectly adequate. You picked this out because you believe it makes your argument better. It doesn't. It makes it look worse.<br /><br />Secondly, bullying has no specific time factor. Possibly the worst type of bullying is done over a period. But this is not a prerequisite. You're just making things up to support your white knighting of E1. Please stop, it makes you sound incredibly desperate.<br /><br />Thirdly, arguing semantics over ownership of in-game assets. Again an attempt at petty "point scoring". Pathetic.<br /><br />All of this shows you have close to no argument at all and are incredibly desperate, clutching on to any slight thing you can find. When even this fails, you make things up.<br /><br />I have read some well thought out responses to some of the arguments coming from people baying for E1's blood. Yours Alistair is possibly the worst I have read.Mr Weenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-42375662937070319922014-03-28T14:42:25.749+00:002014-03-28T14:42:25.749+00:00Dear Alistair Drake,
The fact that allot of agent...Dear Alistair Drake,<br /><br />The fact that allot of agents rely on reimbursment of their lost ships signals that they are not willing to lose isk.<br /><br />Everything can be ganked, just bring enough DPS (recent Miner grabs have shown that).<br /><br />Lets not start about bullying, even a 1 time bullying action can leave scars on somebody for the rest of their lives. i have first hand experience and therefor and expert of sorts. <br /><br />And i did not say sohkar now did i?<br /><br />Keep up the good work Alistair Drake and as hancock would say GOOD JOB<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-2713488470753406732014-03-28T13:27:35.029+00:002014-03-28T13:27:35.029+00:00@LSM
It seems clear to me that you are only here ...@LSM<br /><br />It seems clear to me that you are only here to yell for Ero's blood, as you keep insisting that this is torture and bullying. <br /><br />You seem to be making generalizations when you only have one example to go on. "Logical assumption" is an oxymoron, as an assumption is NOT based on logic in any way as it is usually based on an imperfect understanding of the subject matter.<br /><br />I think you'll find there is acknowledgement of the mental aspect of torture, but I have to point out that Sohkar was NOT obligated to even accept the invite into the bonus room that started this whole debacle.<br /><br />Second, no, I don't listen to the bonus room recording as it simply doesn't interest me. However I will point out again that this is a one-time event, bullying of any kind and torture are SUSTAINED events that take more than two hours to be effective.<br /><br />Third, Sohkar and Ero did not own the virtual items, they are owned by CCP in the end as they created the game and the code that creates the pixels that represent them. And CCP can just as easily take them away and they dont' even need an explanation.<br /><br />Fourth, I ask you if you have even heard of Ero before now, or are you one of the multitude that are only just now hearing this?<br /><br />If anything, Sohkar was tortruring his wife with his screaming threats and vitriol at the computer screen. If anything all that probably caused her panic attack as I've heard.<br /><br />@Anon 11:29<br /><br />Interesting that you say there are NO Agents that are unwilling to lose things, but I ask you to name names if you can. We don't need their ilk among the NO's numbers. <br /><br />Especially those that would gank permit holders, if the permit holders are compliant, they can't be ganked in the first place, if they aren't, well they aren't deserving of the permit they have now are they?<br /><br />And as to your assertion that Erotica is a cyberbully, again I will have to point out that bullying of any kind is a CONTINUED action(s) over a period of time that I believe in most countries is longer than two hours. The bonus room is a ONE-TIME thing that Sohkar could have just as easily walked away from before it even started.Alistair Drakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-4138938660451022322014-03-28T11:29:10.474+00:002014-03-28T11:29:10.474+00:00LSM,
Just give up, erotica will never admit that...LSM, <br /><br />Just give up, erotica will never admit that he/she is a cyberbully (mainly because thats against the law in most countries)<br />He/she takes great effort in the bonus room to make it seem that they are not actualy torturing a person.<br /><br />And here is where it gets *special* Torture isn't just a physical thing, its also mental. <br />Making somebody give away al his stuff is phase 1.<br />Then comes phase 2 accepting that he is going to lose all his stuff. <br />Phase 3 is all about humiliation (torture at its finest)<br />Phase 4 Their *social* component. because the (by this time a victim) victim can no longer leave without losing all of him assests he is trapped, and the agents can bash at him all they like just to pull out more tears and rage. then Hide behind The Code so that he will lose all his stuff if he rages. <br />This is torture both mentally and physicly since the person Will get worked up and will if angered beyond a point hurt hims self unintentionaly. We will only have to wait until a suicide will happen because of a persons inability to process what happend to him in the bonus room making The Actual person behind erotica 1 an cyberbully that caused a suicide in my country accepted as murder.<br /><br />if that was TL;DR Erotica is a torturer, don't believe me go read it.<br /><br />lets continue.<br /><br />lets look at whats bieng said about kalorned, is he a coward?<br />According to the code he is not..... (all enforcers of code are basicly cowards that why they hide behind the code)<br /><br />so why are they all cowards? (take not that the coward part is a carebear term and not my own choosing)<br />they do not want to controll highsec .... they do not want full compliance...<br />why don't they want it? very simple they would have to stop ganking.<br />And they do not want to stop ganking. They could very effectifly controll a number of regions but they won't they are greedy and they want the entire high sec.... (too much for you to read i can understand, go gank something and come back to read the rest)<br />I personaly asked agents what will youdo when a majority of compliance is reached... their anwser might shock you ... most of them admitted to say we will start ganking permit holders.<br />Why?!?!?!?! Because they only enforce the code so they can gank and get paid for it !!!!<br /><br />for the TL;DR people Agents are cowards because they are not willing to lose something. (not aimed at the few agents who actualy buy/built their own stuff)<br /><br />Conclusion is the Code a good or a bad thing....<br /><br />Anwser is simple The code is a GOOD thing but its enforcement is terrible and some of the later things like freighter killing is just plain absurd (although what moron would autopilot several billion isk ?)<br /><br />Still TL;DR for you, then you should feel bad ... i took the time and effort to educate you.... now pay me isk... and you will get a nice line for in your ingame Bio.<br />http://www.badgeplanet.co.uk/badges_large/southpark-BP0208b.jpg I learned somethign today.<br /><br />Still TL;DR ? sigh you hopeless Please go gank something and comeback.<br /><br />Did you gank something yet?...<br /><br />http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0807/hancock-hancock-demotivational-poster-1215285351.jpg<br /><br />Oke im done, happy hunting Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-53701163836166525802014-03-27T23:27:08.613+00:002014-03-27T23:27:08.613+00:00Insults? So when I use more complicated language t...Insults? So when I use more complicated language to prove a point it's an insult, but when agents call people wife beaters and child abusers it's perfectly fine. Disregard RL? Baloney, you often attack the RL person...<br />but it's ok right? as long as it's enforcing the CODE right? I am not throwing insults. I'm making a logical assumption based on his behavior. Why would he HUMILIATE a person if not for entertainment? ISK? But it's just a game right? Or is it something more?<br /><br />But if you wish me to comply, I will...<br /><br />"Wat u say code is dum ur a fagot an stupid lol u suk at eve ur probly gay fagot"<br /><br />Is that better Anon? Is it better? Am I CODE compliant yet?LSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-27477143731321354392014-03-27T21:09:57.090+00:002014-03-27T21:09:57.090+00:00OK, lets do a little exercise then.
By the broade...OK, lets do a little exercise then.<br /><br />By the broadest definition, actions to be considered torture must include the following: Physically or mentally harming someone against their will.<br /><br />Which of these components actually took place? None, and that last part is a doozy no?<br /><br />- GuybertiniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-51982695388247370512014-03-27T20:38:50.264+00:002014-03-27T20:38:50.264+00:00AnonymousMarch 27, 2014 at 6:20 PM I agree with yo...AnonymousMarch 27, 2014 at 6:20 PM I agree with your point that some players are fixated on just one thing, particularly mining. While I do mine in a Procurer, I also mission run, scan for anomalies and mission rooms, produce ships and modules (T1 level), and other things. There is so much of the sandbox some people are missing out from, and I will agree a segment of that group are bot-runners. <br /><br />I also agree people need to take the times to learn (not just copy/paste a fitting site's suggestions as gospel) how to fit a ship. It's not hard to do, and tools like EFT make it very easy to simulate a fit before paying the ISK for it. Some players also don't have patience to skill to level 4 the core abilities like power grid, capacitor, and CPU. This understanding opens a lot of play options for newcomers which in turn increases the subscription revenue for the game. Everyone wins. Ehnea Mehkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02695717031767017528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-48984847391769273242014-03-27T19:06:40.525+00:002014-03-27T19:06:40.525+00:00LSM clearly has it's mind made up and is not i...LSM clearly has it's mind made up and is not interested in any discussion, it is only here to throw insults :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-23750056340523372022014-03-27T18:20:22.130+00:002014-03-27T18:20:22.130+00:00Ehnea, you're right in your analysis of Procur...Ehnea, you're right in your analysis of Procurer/Retriever tradeoffs. What's interesting though is that in real life miners are less concerned about ship's defenses and are more interested in sheer amount of ISK dully recovered from inert objects. I see this behavior as detrimental to the overall Eve playing experience and as such in need of correction, hence actions of my pilots (won't be telling for all the Agents but I hope they would agree me on this point).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-72860409939109004322014-03-27T18:14:40.027+00:002014-03-27T18:14:40.027+00:00AnonymousMarch 27, 2014 at 6:03 PM, that is not a ...AnonymousMarch 27, 2014 at 6:03 PM, that is not a New Order victory, it is common sense after reading the specs on the ship. If someone wants a better defense at the expense of ISK pull, they get a procurer/skiff, otherwise use the other ships that will give the ISK pull rate desired, but use them with care. This goes the same for the fit too. I've looked at the fits of the ships taken out by the New Order and more than half of them had mining optimization fits. Ehnea Mehkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02695717031767017528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-6998307998120464122014-03-27T18:03:38.285+00:002014-03-27T18:03:38.285+00:00Swapping Retriever for a Procurer is a good exampl...Swapping Retriever for a Procurer is a good example of miner accepting lower financial gains in favor of using better ship. I call that a New Order's victory. Small victory, but for many miners it may be just the first step towards better gameplay.<br /><br />I'd like to see all the highsec miners switching to Procurers, Skiffs and such. Unfortunately, Retrievers and Mackinaws dominate asteroid fields as of now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-83036883916149007102014-03-27T18:00:16.251+00:002014-03-27T18:00:16.251+00:00Because it's fun to watch agents sit powerless...Because it's fun to watch agents sit powerless while you mine right in front of them and they can't do anything<br /><br />counter: Who are you to tell miners they have to buy a permit? what gives you the right? The CODE? Not really because you can just ignore it in a procurerLSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-89909479158477581822014-03-27T17:49:36.051+00:002014-03-27T17:49:36.051+00:00Then why didn't you stop attacking him after h...Then why didn't you stop attacking him after he lost his nerves? Huh? Oh that's right, you enjoyed it didn't you?LSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-9452256101889310542014-03-27T17:39:50.295+00:002014-03-27T17:39:50.295+00:001. Two hours of anything Erotica 1 could think of ...1. Two hours of anything Erotica 1 could think of could never amount to the pressures of bullying, no matter how you twist it. A lot of the power behind bullying is that is a continuing CONSTANT source of humiliation and degradation. A victim of bullying often does not have the option of walking away. A torture victim NEVER has the option of walking away. Everyone in E1's bonus rooms do or, if they stay, it's a one-time thing. They'll never deal with E1 again because they learned their lesson. E1's never going to scar anyone, unlike actual torture and bullying.<br /><br />2. He has all your stuff because you gave it to him and made it worse. He could have walked away WELL before he gave him all his things. He could have walked away without ever losing his money to E1. It was always an option. Always.<br /><br />3. The point is that all the comparisons to "torture" fall far short of ACTUAL torture and that calling it such is an injustice to ACTUAL torture victims. It's ridiculous and nonsensical.<br /><br />I, personally, do not listen to or find amusement in the bonus room. But if you're going to compare it to anything, compare it to a game show or reality TV. I promise you those are a lot closer to what you're looking for. Lanaya Lennellucnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-47251456712860969412014-03-27T17:33:54.365+00:002014-03-27T17:33:54.365+00:00That would be a rather interesting reading!That would be a rather interesting reading!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-5349713960770500372014-03-27T17:30:48.189+00:002014-03-27T17:30:48.189+00:00It looks like there's some angry carebears! T...It looks like there's some angry carebears! This bullying stuff is quite nonsense. I have tried to open up an honest, thoughtful discussion in that thread, but those out for blood ignore my posts and keep going with their talking points. When I have a free day or so, I will be sending James a letter to the community that exhaustively answers everyone's questions, whether it takes 10, 25, or however many pages to tell the story of Erotica 1 and the bonus rounds, while engaging in a "real talk" of a variety of important issues. This whole thing is really simply a very public story of Gallant vs. Goofus. I think we all know who is Goofus and who is Gallant in this story.Erotica 1https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Erotica_1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-89403674684138686172014-03-27T17:25:39.616+00:002014-03-27T17:25:39.616+00:00TL;DRTL;DRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-71553032918563907622014-03-27T17:24:34.819+00:002014-03-27T17:24:34.819+00:00Only James 315 may influence Agents, and even then...Only James 315 may influence Agents, and even then Agents are pretty much free to enforce Code in ways they see fit. Who are you sir to tell us what to do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-70350375269536884962014-03-27T17:11:08.319+00:002014-03-27T17:11:08.319+00:00Pretty convenient way to say "We can't do...Pretty convenient way to say "We can't do it, it will cost us ISK". I thought cost didn't matter?LSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-33380473732860320872014-03-27T17:09:45.720+00:002014-03-27T17:09:45.720+00:00I'm no Carebear. Kalorned is just a coward and...I'm no Carebear. Kalorned is just a coward and makes up excuses. Just like the rest of CODE. Now go hop in a mega and go kill some skiffs, you know, enforce the CODE?LSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-59997229417540353212014-03-27T17:07:00.607+00:002014-03-27T17:07:00.607+00:00Why not? If you are such an expert in the English ...Why not? If you are such an expert in the English language, say otherwise. Someone in that massive thread I saw someone relate methods of torturing someone to what transpired (I'll be damned if I can find it again though :/)LSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-31325855554794513922014-03-27T17:05:22.183+00:002014-03-27T17:05:22.183+00:00Good for you, you have a friend in syria who died....Good for you, you have a friend in syria who died. I am sorry he met such an end, and I do pray the best for those facing hardship in Syria. But does that automatically warrant what E1 did? So i'm going to find some naive guy and take all of his stuff, humiliate him, hurt his feelings, make him snap and become violent. I'll grind his nerves down, make him lose his wits, break his soul until he has tears and his eyes stream down with tears while I laugh at him, and continue to push him down further into a pit of crushed spirits. I think we have a word for that, what I just described and what E1 did... it starts with a B.... it happens in schools, it causes people to commit suicide.... oh what is that word? Nelthrarak, what is that B word? Oh of course! <br /><br />BULLYING<br /><br />And this isn't the "lol I got that guys stuff!" bullying that is perfectly fine in EVE. That is just bullying the AVATAR. What was done was bullying of the PERSON behind that avatar. Actually, it wasn't the person behind... because it was out of game (How convenient!), it was the PERSON he tore apart. You know what the goal of BULLYING is Neltharak? Huh? Do you "Oh-so-much-better-than-I-CODE-agent? TO GET A REACTION OUT OF SOMEONE. Have you ever been bullied or have bullied someone? I have been bullied and have bullied. It happens. Was it right? Absolutely fucking not!<br /><br />Here is another aspect of EVE, we like to, to actually paraphrase someone from this site, "Disregard RL". Well gee, what did E1 do? He sure as hell skipped over that idea, because he went after the person, NOT THE AVATAR THE PERSON. Yeah, that guy said "Nigger" and other nasty words. But then again, that's just a word right? It can't hurt anyone "LOL CAREBEAR TEARS WORDS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING I AM AN AGENT OF CODE". But if words didn't mean anything, then why did he snap? You don't break a persons wits through a computer by physically hurting him. You have to do it through WORDS Neltharak. And guess what? That poor soul, NAIVE AS HE WAS MIND YOU, was tortured. Sometimes Fraternities get pinned for torture or hazing.<br /><br />Now yes he could have just walked away. But let me ask you, would you? I mean sure you would just walk away. Be realistic. He had all of your stuff and promised you lots of isk. I wouldn't have walked away. that stuff means something to me, it's mine. I worked for it and if you said "LOL CAREBEAR GIVE ME ALL YOUR STUFF" i'd say no, it's mine and I earned it. <br /><br />So was the victim naive? Yep. Foolish? Yep. Should have known better? Yep. But he wasn't. He someone who is quick to anger, and is probably a vulnerable person. E1 went after the person, not the avatar. If I said I want to kill James315 and destroy him, i mean in game where I can. I wouldn't in RL, that is idiotic. James may be a really good guy in RL, and I chose not to attack him in RL because that isn't part of EVE. Neither is trapping that fool in TS, and humiliating him and displaying it to the world right either. Bringing up Syria, what do you accomplish? Sorry that man met his end, it is truly awful but... so what? That has nothing to do with him playing a game, that deals with the strife in Syria. <br /><br />"Disregard RL" is a term I've seen on this site. Well E1 didn't do that and went after the PERSON not the avatar. That's what you don't realize. Should he have walked away? Yes. Would I in his situation? No, probably not. And neither would you I would reckon. <br /><br />So E1 needs to be punished. He tortured someone. Sorry I don't blindly think since it was in the name of tears that it's ok. <br /><br />Sorry the the new order is full of bullies<br /><br />~LSMLSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-24336811979594482212014-03-27T16:54:25.564+00:002014-03-27T16:54:25.564+00:00Dude, its a game. The way the code is enforced is ...Dude, its a game. The way the code is enforced is up to the agents :p <br /><br />stanked bs silly :pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com