tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post3212005005750503658..comments2024-03-28T06:53:10.383+00:00Comments on MinerBumping.com: What Does PvP Stand For?MinerBumpinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16932737268774492206noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-18769488194343620992014-12-14T15:18:36.481+00:002014-12-14T15:18:36.481+00:00Hi again anon.
There are many reasons why we char...Hi again anon.<br /><br />There are many reasons why we charge for mining permits, some canonical (explained in the Code), some more conjectural. First, the canonical:<br /><br />Though we don't much care about money, carebears do. While a ganker or a scammer could be trusted to commit to a course of action or an ideological creed simply on the basis of an intelligent conversation on the subject and a verbal commitment to the idea, carebears demonstrate over and over again that the main lens through which they view reality is money, profit, and loss. Charging for a mining permit helps a carebear commit to following the Code and supporting the New Order; though it may require more work to get them to part with the isk, they will correspondingly be far more loathe to do anything to invalidate their permit than they would be if the permit was *merely* about the value of their word and honorable behavior. We charge for a permit because that is the only way to get an unredeemed miner or other carebears to value it at all; before we have saved them, they would be incapable of appreciating an emergent social compact at all without a price tag attached.<br /><br />The less canonical reason is a little more disheartening. This is my own conjecture, it is neither in the Code nor something James has explicitly said. It makes sense though.<br /><br />We charge for permits because we have to. I'm sure you've seen it before, both in the comments here and elsewhere. Random anti-ganking carebear says "I support ganking when it's for profit, but what you guys do is just griefing (since it's not for profit)". The idea that player interactions can either be about profit, or they can be about griefing, and that's it. It's an antisocial, carebear-centric view of the world, but it is tragically quite common, even among CCP staff. When James first started selling mining permits, what finally got them to stop harassing him was that he was able to show a profit from selling mining permits: that he was able to defend the betterment of highsec not as a worthwhile goal or valuable player-created content, but in terms of a selfish isk-gaining business. *That* was the justification that the GM's cared about. And so, we continue to charge for mining permits because we must. When the dichotomy even the game creators recognize is "it's either about making money or about griefing", then to avoid being mistaken for griefers we must at least pay lip service to it being about the money. Which is really quite sad. But then, CCP never really understood the genius of what they created, or what it was that made it good. It should be unsurprising that they'd lose their way among the endless bouts of carebear whining eventually.Maria Malukkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-46004303625622886572014-12-14T05:28:33.246+00:002014-12-14T05:28:33.246+00:00Hi again Maria.
If pretend money isn't import...Hi again Maria.<br /><br />If pretend money isn't important, why do keep bleating like a sheep about my 10 mill for a mining permit?<br /><br />Why not issue them for free?<br /><br />I have to stop posting here, I think I'm starting to like you.<br /><br />Your conviction, your passion, your delusion, your tragic acceptance of a life of perpetual poverty.<br /><br />Thats the real gold here.<br /><br />I really do mean it when I say I like you though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-83943203547321536492014-12-12T18:34:13.655+00:002014-12-12T18:34:13.655+00:00Name one activity that you can do that doesn't...Name one activity that you can do that doesn't involve competing against other players. Hint: ship spinning is PvP, too, if you're as competitive about it as I am.admiral roothttp://forum.halaimacode.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-71531296549206924332014-12-10T13:38:08.801+00:002014-12-10T13:38:08.801+00:00It's "a bohemian, hippy state of child -l...It's "a bohemian, hippy state of child -like fantasy" to believe that imaginary spaceship money (with an exchange rate of about $15:850,000,000ISK) isn't important? It really, really isn't. I cannot even imagine the depths of bot-aspirancy to which you must have sunk, to not only believe that imaginary spaceship money is important, but that those who do not share your belief must be hippies.<br /><br />Please, man, for your own sake: let go of your fixation on money. There's so much more to live for, or to play eve for. For starters, there's the Code. That's a much better focus for your life than vulgar money, particularly money which you could earn much more efficiently by mowing lawns and buying plex with the proceeds than you could ever earn in-game. So relax, have fun, stop worrying about isk....and get right with the Code. Speaking of which, as a symbol of your breaking the shackles of your bot-aspirancy, would you like to purchase a mining permit now? Only 10m isk/toon/year! I can promise you, you'll feel far happier and freer once you do.Maria Malukkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-72611432388475620312014-12-10T13:29:04.481+00:002014-12-10T13:29:04.481+00:00Why do you treat miners as if they were developmen...Why do you treat miners as if they were developmentally challenged? What's what it means, to treat adults as if they were no more capable of speaking for or defending themselves than irl children. Have you no respect for your fellow carebears?Maria Malukkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-4315183890635701572014-12-10T04:38:32.657+00:002014-12-10T04:38:32.657+00:00admiral root, it is right and logical to compare j...admiral root, it is right and logical to compare james315 and code to paedophiles.<br /><br />Paedophiles occupy a niche of especially hated individuals that prey on those least able to defend themselves. This is the niche that code fills in eve.<br /><br />It takes a special kind of sick group to establish a website dedicated to posting the dialogue of players that have just been ganked.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-14761902876812682902014-12-10T00:03:32.593+00:002014-12-10T00:03:32.593+00:00Maria - surely you must be more intelligent than y...Maria - surely you must be more intelligent than you appear. Although I feel like I am simply feeding a troll, I will make an exception in your case. <br /><br />I was responding to 290's post who raised the issue of new players having a chance against veterans that enables them to acquire isk. <br /><br />Shits and giggles is why we all play isn't it? <br /><br />To return to your whining about isk, it's a fairly important part of the game, no isk equals eve poverty and options are limited, just like in real life.<br /><br />But if you persist in living in a bohemian, hippy state of child -like fantasy that money, yes, even pretend money in a video game isn't important, I'm sorry, I can't help you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-70414698939901090582014-12-09T14:07:18.877+00:002014-12-09T14:07:18.877+00:00See anon@11:32, here's what I don't get. O...See anon@11:32, here's what I don't get. Obviously all you care about is money; you're focused exclusively on the cost of the ships and characters being used, and the part of the gank you focus on is looting the wrecks afterwards. So money is what you care about, what you think about, and what you give importance to. But do you at least understand that other people can care about things other than money? You speak of "shits and giggles" in a derogatory way, as if there were something in some way distasteful about playing for fun instead of for profit. Are you aware that this is what you're signaling? Do you really feel this way?<br /><br />Can someone truly be so greedy, so materialistic, so....so *bot-aspirant*, that they're incapable of viewing any playstyle not centered around the acquisition of wealth as legitimate?Maria Malukkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-4712089220225847242014-12-09T13:06:07.288+00:002014-12-09T13:06:07.288+00:00seems legitseems legitSwiggity Swootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-69945803098480457512014-12-09T11:44:47.761+00:002014-12-09T11:44:47.761+00:00Bumping is bullying and GCC timer would be 6 month...Bumping is bullying and GCC timer would be 6 months long.Veers Belvarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-3805268048482490012014-12-09T11:40:50.651+00:002014-12-09T11:40:50.651+00:00ExactlyExactlyBeers Veldsparnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-91431005984548552482014-12-09T11:39:58.537+00:002014-12-09T11:39:58.537+00:009:29 is an obvious Veers. 9:29 is an obvious Veers. Beers Veldsparnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-53723139599507662202014-12-09T03:17:57.544+00:002014-12-09T03:17:57.544+00:00Apparently James315 is on the front cover of every...Apparently James315 is on the front cover of every financial statement at ccp.<br /><br />Half of the sales team has been fired because James315 and code have sold more plexes for ccp than anyone that works there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-67231852823287948472014-12-08T23:32:06.893+00:002014-12-08T23:32:06.893+00:00290, yes, a gang of smaller ships should have a ...290, yes, a gang of smaller ships should have a chance to take down expensive ships but in this case we are talking about only 2 pilots in cheap ships that require minimal skills to fit to a level that can inflict this kind of a loss in highsec.<br />Miners that are ganked rarely have the wrecks looted by the aggressor so there is absolutely no financial reason for the ganker to shoot a miner. It is all about shits and giggles. <br />At least when haulers are destroyed there is a decent chance of a financial reward.<br /><br />High sec miner ganking clearly is good for ccp's bottom line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-42471043537389011672014-12-08T17:38:47.050+00:002014-12-08T17:38:47.050+00:00Yes we push to the far limits - Code compliance re...Yes we push to the far limits - Code compliance requires no less.<br /><br />Then again, if they'd bought permits and adhered to its principles, their ships would still be safe. <br /><br />Just so simple really. Only an idiot would believe otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-90051854599273486412014-12-08T17:23:18.048+00:002014-12-08T17:23:18.048+00:00A lot of carebears are perfectly fine with the tho...A lot of carebears are perfectly fine with the thought of isk-tanking. For a mind obsessed with money and its acquisition, the thought that decadence could in and of itself buy safety is very appealing. Thankfully ccp is, whatever other shortcomings it's been displaying, smarter than that.Maria Malukkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-12608175847670710992014-12-08T15:19:18.224+00:002014-12-08T15:19:18.224+00:00You miss the point entirely, anon 11:35. The cure ...You miss the point entirely, anon 11:35. The cure for hisec is holding these miners to a higher standard, ie. The Code. <br /><br />And then killing them if they refuse. <br /><br />Thankfully, we do not have the same issues with miners IRL that we do in Eve, so such steps are unnecessary in meatspace.290xanaotshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17418077769798824983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-71185200792622633562014-12-08T15:15:30.889+00:002014-12-08T15:15:30.889+00:00Anon 9:59, you do realize that you just argued for...Anon 9:59, you do realize that you just argued for isk-tanking? <br /><br />If a smaller/cheaper ship cannot defeat a larger/more expensive ship, it becomes impossible for a poor group of newbies to carve a place for themselves in the face of wealthy veterans. 290xanaotshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17418077769798824983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-43584114409737529912014-12-08T13:51:18.825+00:002014-12-08T13:51:18.825+00:00I believe Veers is finally getting tired, like a s...I believe Veers is finally getting tired, like a spent hot-air balloon, unable to ballast his opinions with logic... So sad to see what Veers has become. <br /><br />It is at this point that the mercy of James 315 reaches out to him... maybe this time he will let the CODE that he's been fighting for so long be his salvation...Ming Tsonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-21860659514425861682014-12-08T11:35:22.892+00:002014-12-08T11:35:22.892+00:00So cure is to kill everything you don't like?
...So cure is to kill everything you don't like?<br />Does that apply to real world too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-48771576564115208922014-12-08T10:18:46.138+00:002014-12-08T10:18:46.138+00:00Nope!Nope!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-66338822413659563322014-12-07T21:59:28.966+00:002014-12-07T21:59:28.966+00:00Unfortunately for code - whether they realise it o...Unfortunately for code - whether they realise it or not, they are lap dogs of ccp.<br />The business model of ccp requires players to<br />A: lose ships<br />B: go broke <br />C: buy plex <br /><br />Code is simply feeding the ccp machine. <br /><br />Your website does shine a light on a ridiculously unbalanced part of the game. <br /><br />The fact that 2 ships worth maybe 10mill between them can inflict, in this case a quarter of a billion is in losses (ship and implants) before concord does anything about it is pretty stupid. <br />But as I said, ccp likes it like this, so keep feeding the machine lap dog's. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-6831301125622502032014-12-07T19:59:40.424+00:002014-12-07T19:59:40.424+00:00Sweet delicious ironic tears from veers: bravely d...Sweet delicious ironic tears from veers: bravely defeating red crosses (although not in lowsec), whining about turkey shoots. <br /><br />How contemptible can he be...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-44354667094848248642014-12-07T15:13:02.351+00:002014-12-07T15:13:02.351+00:00I don't look for anything Veers. You assume I ...I don't look for anything Veers. You assume I gank. I don't. I have. Tried it for a month or so, but it was not my thing and RL time issue ment curbing back my available game time.<br /><br />Even though I don't gank, and admit to finding it a bit boring after awhile, I still support it. It is after all just a game. It's not a fair game, nor should it be. What I love about EVE is that it weeds out the weak.<br /><br />You are weak. For all your howling and crying, ganking continues. Bumping continues, CODE. continues. Yes, yes.. I know a few people were banned... and I'm sure in your mind you believe you were the mastermind behind it all, but the fact remains that CODE is still here. There have been no bans for months... MONTHS! And those bans were not for GANKING or BUMPING.<br /><br />Ganking is here to stay... cry all you want, rage all you want, the only thing you are accomplishing is providing entertainment to most... me, I just find you annoying.<br /><br />Personally I think you should pull your head out of your ass and come up for air, but I doubt you will.<br /><br />The Colonel https://www.blogger.com/profile/15560099544044168578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-33394804452845792642014-12-07T15:05:25.837+00:002014-12-07T15:05:25.837+00:00I don't know, is it? You're the one who br...I don't know, is it? You're the one who brought them up so it's up to you to determine if they are or not.Alistair Drakenoreply@blogger.com