tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post4058142570280685848..comments2024-03-29T07:45:26.752+00:00Comments on MinerBumping.com: Why Miners Refuse to Pay, Part 2MinerBumpinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16932737268774492206noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-60483778736380395992012-11-09T10:36:21.099+00:002012-11-09T10:36:21.099+00:00I finally found it. The answer to what goes on in ...I finally found it. The answer to what goes on in a miners mind when presented with a change to their behavior or challenged to improve their participation. Behold, as a picture speaks more than a thousand words:<br /><br />http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5BEfnFU-wg744JNRGOVUpCUF3rJ8zKKiqQ6294Fvj6bBx_YiZxFS_qWcjewAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-12394853016586705392012-11-07T05:40:46.915+00:002012-11-07T05:40:46.915+00:00Sovereignty cannot be claimed in lowsec, NPC null ...Sovereignty cannot be claimed in lowsec, NPC null or wormholes either. Entities can still claim these areas as their own space though if they're willing to fight for it.Mallak Azarianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-87431756528372165402012-11-07T05:31:31.563+00:002012-11-07T05:31:31.563+00:00Following my own train of thought.. since sovereig...Following my own train of thought.. since sovereignty is not allowed in hisec, this may be the ONLY form of government you can have there. Interesting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-82775445121270818192012-11-07T05:23:22.729+00:002012-11-07T05:23:22.729+00:00> Nothing sanctioned by CCP.
Bitch, please. Do...> Nothing sanctioned by CCP.<br /><br />Bitch, please. Don't you know anything about Eve? CCP isn't the one defining governments in Eve universe, it's the players. Please thing about this for a moment. That however, doesn't mean then the New order is a government. They are more like a group of people forcing emergent game play to a group of people who act like bots. They use a lot of fancy words, are very diverse and often contradict themselves.. well, very much like a typical government... hmm.<br /><br />> a sandbox MMO, where players are permitted to freely interact with each other, instead of space-WoW.<br /><br />Sandbox is a clearly defined wooden square where kids sit in a sand that smells like cat pee, playing with toys that they often can't bring inside afterwards. Yeah, sounds like Eve :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-71049879524365848802012-11-07T00:59:50.762+00:002012-11-07T00:59:50.762+00:00Not only was James spot on, but he also cut out th...Not only was James spot on, but he also cut out the unimportant bullshit from that chatlog.Mallak Azarianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-19274198459299833852012-11-06T20:44:53.087+00:002012-11-06T20:44:53.087+00:00“End the Highsecution. Destroy the Bumpgeois. Libe...“End the Highsecution. Destroy the Bumpgeois. Liberty of game, unity to defend it. Freedom of play, freedom of choice. For the Proveldtariat”<br /><br />So wait a second, if I choose to bump that isn’t covered by “freedom of play”? Or “Liberty of game”? I did like your site though and I am behind you 100% and I would like to see the miners of high sec work together (good luck though a lot of them are AFK)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-37096634456781276762012-11-05T23:54:46.810+00:002012-11-05T23:54:46.810+00:00But there was an election, both fair and free. Jam...But there was an election, both fair and free. James 315, in his benevolence, acted as caretaker and proxy to the bot-aspirant ice-miners of highsec, who otherwise may have voted incorrectly. Now, under his glorious leadership, highsec ice miners everywhere have the opportunity to engage in emergent gameplay, and play EVE as what it was meant to be - a sandbox MMO, where players are permitted to freely interact with each other, instead of space-WoW.<br /><br />Is this not the pinnacle of freedom, and a most exemplary form of democratic government - an election by the people, for the people, benefiting the people?<br /><br />Glory to the New Order!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09365160565148884370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-16135383596701562142012-11-05T23:17:48.829+00:002012-11-05T23:17:48.829+00:00So basically, James was spot-on with his analysis?...So basically, James was spot-on with his analysis?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-17623606791294284102012-11-05T22:59:16.080+00:002012-11-05T22:59:16.080+00:00Except he...wasn't elected. There were no elec...Except he...wasn't elected. There were no elections. Nothing sanctioned by CCP. You are all not a majority of high-sec players. Therefore your point it moot.<br /><br />You are not a government.<br />Death to the Mafia "Order."<br />o7Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-76335116893100660392012-11-05T22:27:50.433+00:002012-11-05T22:27:50.433+00:00For completeness I thought full chat might be bett...For completeness I thought full chat might be better than James' selected tidbits ;)<br /><br />http://pastebin.com/hchw1yhS<br /><br />Regards<br />IS<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-14576013962067990052012-11-05T22:24:39.981+00:002012-11-05T22:24:39.981+00:00Counter bumping is player-aspirant not bot-aspiran...Counter bumping is player-aspirant not bot-aspirant. That in itself is a win. But its also like noone has a gun to your head and making you go into those systems anyways.<br /><br />Freedom at its finest! You too can choose NOT to go anywhere you like!<br /><br />~Murk ParadoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-89269754803860856952012-11-05T22:00:18.693+00:002012-11-05T22:00:18.693+00:00Didn't see your comment earlier. That is a gre...Didn't see your comment earlier. That is a great idea, I will. Thanks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-60404147884777131922012-11-05T20:49:22.760+00:002012-11-05T20:49:22.760+00:00> Matter of fact, the 'mob' generally j...> Matter of fact, the 'mob' generally just says 'I'm stronger than you, give me money', while the New Order *cares* about the miners that it is trying to save from insignificance and bot-aspiration.<br /><br />That is funny, look at this example from "the code" page.<br /><br />> Since the miners want to mine ice, and since I alone decide whether or not they can, I command them. It's really that simple.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-20150595157108476342012-11-05T20:42:47.169+00:002012-11-05T20:42:47.169+00:00Yes, fair treatment indeed :D
- New Order territo...Yes, fair treatment indeed :D<br /><br />- New Order territory is a safe space for suicide gankers. Miners are required to put aside their prejudices and treat gankers with respect.<br /><br />And as for the election, must have been behind closed doors.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-74164604019191844132012-11-05T20:40:45.046+00:002012-11-05T20:40:45.046+00:00Kainotomiu Ronuken we don't want your saving. ...Kainotomiu Ronuken we don't want your saving. Leave us alone!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-30301334043306081722012-11-05T19:56:25.088+00:002012-11-05T19:56:25.088+00:00Or don't listen to their "laws," and...Or don't listen to their "laws," and see it for nothing but a bunch of words on a poorly designed website.<br /><br />Miners. Go here: http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/anti-bump-methods/<br /><br />They have a bunch of anti-bump ideas for you. It's worked for me far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-30788949516452897562012-11-05T19:19:26.267+00:002012-11-05T19:19:26.267+00:00I don't encourage ganking, nor am I against it...I don't encourage ganking, nor am I against it. I am however, a huge fan of chaos (not the typical Joker devil may care type) but the innovation of finding new things. I don't care for exploits, but I definitely like things that are within acceptable boundaries. <br /> <br />The psychological aspect of people getting upset of not being left alone in a mmo is hilarious. Sure a gank leaves you without a ship, killing someone you just ransomed is retarded in my books. But mining? Seriously? Ore makes you more money, and is faster. Zero sympathy for ice miners. By definition it's just screaming afk`ness.<br /><br />~Murk ParadoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-16678239320498427682012-11-05T18:11:15.318+00:002012-11-05T18:11:15.318+00:00> The New Order is here to ensure peace and hap...> The New Order is here to ensure peace and happiness and safe mining. <br /><br />The only thing you protect the miners from, is you bumping. Your general commentary, especially that of James 315, would suggest that you actually encourage ganking. That and maybe boredom :)<br /><br />> Have you even read the Code?<br /><br />Yes, but perhaps I should have a look at it again.<br /><br />I'v noticed that New order is very diversified croup, with at least seemingly decent people in the order. Looks like there are a few relative upstanding members as well, unlike their figurehead James, they seem.. almost honorable.<br /><br />I will perform a small experiment on Halaima then next time I'm in the neighborhood, just to see what happens.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-20713217876122727132012-11-05T18:08:45.387+00:002012-11-05T18:08:45.387+00:00You are more than welcome to be at your keyboard a...You are more than welcome to be at your keyboard and play the "bump and grind" dance with your really cool bigboy internet spaceship while orbiting around a hunk of ice if that helps you make you feel better about yourself.<br /><br />Otherwise, adhere to the Code and enjoy your stay in HiSec!<br /><br />~Murk ParadoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-13295791139413974792012-11-05T17:52:51.153+00:002012-11-05T17:52:51.153+00:00"Ah, I see. The New order is there because yo..."Ah, I see. The New order is there because you know what they need better than the miners? Just in case, I didn't mean that in a sarcastic manner.<br /><br />You believe that your actions improve the quality of life for the miners?"<br /><br />Have you even read the Code?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-59180164753635925542012-11-05T17:51:47.947+00:002012-11-05T17:51:47.947+00:00The New Order is here to ensure peace and happines...The New Order is here to ensure peace and happiness and safe mining. It's to ensure HiSec's continuity. <br /><br />It's not a matter of us knowing whats better for the miner. That's already assumed and true, otherwise they wouldn't come into our HiSec and mine. The miners who accept and pay are protected, the bots who cannot... well, they are Xkm away from their precious ice.<br /><br />~Murk ParadoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-55220504262518920502012-11-05T17:05:40.912+00:002012-11-05T17:05:40.912+00:00You are all disgusting. All you are is a bunch of ...You are all disgusting. All you are is a bunch of thugs. You present the exact same arguments that were made famous by the mob and "protection" and are still used today. No rational person bargains with terrorists and criminals. That just perpetuates the problems created by their existence. All you accomplish by your actions is making people suffer and forcing everyone who doesn't mine the ice themselves to pay higher prices. I know that nothing I say here will stop you, at the very least stop pretending that you are morally justified in what you are doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-45336968384485799172012-11-05T14:36:38.866+00:002012-11-05T14:36:38.866+00:00Are you kidding me? :DAre you kidding me? :DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-73267787994716781982012-11-05T14:34:55.551+00:002012-11-05T14:34:55.551+00:00RL gov't say you need to pay taxes, not everyb...RL gov't say you need to pay taxes, not everybody wants to, you believe that RL gov'ts action improves the quality of life for everyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-75542950216342032532012-11-05T13:22:28.469+00:002012-11-05T13:22:28.469+00:00Ah, I see. The New order is there because you know...Ah, I see. The New order is there because you know what they need better than the miners? Just in case, I didn't mean that in a sarcastic manner. <br /><br />You believe that your actions improve the quality of life for the miners?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12147858053924198064noreply@blogger.com