tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post6544505700588992757..comments2024-03-29T09:31:29.226+00:00Comments on MinerBumping.com: Why CCP Won't Fix NullsecMinerBumpinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16932737268774492206noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-78753554542341706832015-09-13T03:08:25.707+00:002015-09-13T03:08:25.707+00:00Rob, you lack a basic grasp of how null sec actual...Rob, you lack a basic grasp of how null sec actually works. Simply saying that null sec anoms pay more isk than high sec demonstrates this. <br />It doesn't matter how much a null sec anom pays out- if a single AFK'er in a cloaked ship can essentially shut down your entire ratting system, it is a far less profitable place than high sec. Now that we've been forced into much smaller holdings, we don't even have other systems to go to avoiding those hostiles. You also fail to understand that loot or resources need to be moved to markets for them to hold any value- otherwise they are just useless pixels in your hangar. The nerfs to mobility make it far more dangerous and expensive to move anything out of null, severely nerfing the increased reward factor. You can crow on about moon goo all you want- but if I can't get it to you in a high sec market, it's useless to bother mining it. CCP has recognized this and aimed for more local production in null- but so far hasn't actually done anything to increase it. <br />James is correct that many of the richest null sec players make their money with high sec alts. It is also telling that the most blinged out ships and pods always appear in high sec. If null sec is so much better than high sec as you allege, why are there so many 3 month old toons flying around high sec losing billions worth of ships and implants? You are simply wrong on this issue, and the proof is evidenced in every Kills of the Week here, or ALOD on TMC. <br />If null sec was the fountain of isk you seem to think it is- why then are so many alliances already heavily invested in sov, simply walking away in favor of low or high sec? The answer is exactly what James said- it is far far easier to get rich essentially squatting in newbie space, doing newbie content forever rather than progress within the game. Sov was already a lot of work to own- it's an incredible time sink (I'm guessing you don't run a string of POS's across a constellation) and we won all that space because we actually showed up, often for oh-dark-thirty timers, sat thru the structure grinds, and dropped everything to log in for ragepings. It was on the verge of not being worth it- but we were building enormous empires as the reward. <br />CCP basically used dev hacks to take all that time, effort, and organization away from us. The reward of winning at Eve was stolen without any clear reason why (so a pack of nobodies and their alts can play at sov without having to actually work for it?) and we are left with the current situation. <br />Not only is sov losing it's key players- the groups that created content for thousands of players- but more importantly, they are not being replaced. If it is such a pain in the ass to own sov for the people that already own it, that they quit- it is delusional to think anyone less invested will bother to get into it and deal with the headache. Especially when they can just squat in high sec and get far richer. <br />This is CCP's fundamental flaw. They seem to think that by chasing the coalitions out of sov, that suddenly all those care bears in high sec will quit being care bears and rush out to fight over a flag in null sec. That is also delusional, and in fact is evidenced currently.<br /> The Imperium was literally giving away sov for months, and there was no mass exodus out of high sec to take it. High sec is too buffed, and null sec too nerfed for anyone to leave the cushy life of high sec- EVEN FOR FREE SOV. Not rental- we simply gave away sov systems to any takers that weren't already red to us.<br />It has nothing to do with far fetched nonsense about 'culture' (just an excuse, dude) and everything to do with the fact that care bears understand exactly this broken system. The fact is that care bears understand the dynamics of Eve just fine- and they know that they will be richer and safer in high sec, literally never going more than a couple jumps from where their characters spawned. That is a broken system, plain and simple. SollyLamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06911746249966713687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-35402836077734619102015-09-08T03:50:46.293+00:002015-09-08T03:50:46.293+00:00max tinfoil ggmax tinfoil ggAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-66323091401179065782015-09-08T03:11:24.471+00:002015-09-08T03:11:24.471+00:00I will have to disagree that 0.0 is boring or no o...I will have to disagree that 0.0 is boring or no one wants to fight. We used to like fights so big and often that we broke Eve until they invented Space AIDS to stop us. <br />As a CFC/Imperium line grunt- I was never without something to do in Eve. Any time of the day or night I would find about a dozen fleets up. Everything from co-op PvE, mining, ganking, small gang roams, gate camps....and even though I am just some unknown grunt- if I was willing to create and lead a fleet, I could get 20-30 people in a few minutes to join. Because we had an SRP- no one cared about losing ships. Even a casual roam could include a pack of shiny Proteus on the prowl. <br />We fought NPC null neighbors, roamed low sec in frigates, and oh yeah, also fought 7000 person battles that made news outside the game. <br />It wasn't very 'stagnant' to me. Not having constant make-or-break sov wars meant we could do everything else the game has to offer too. I think we did more 'living in our space' before fozziesov. We certainly had no shortage of content going on. SollyLamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06911746249966713687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-73256183273560313422015-09-07T18:16:08.409+00:002015-09-07T18:16:08.409+00:00Sad to see yet another blog trying to make everyon...Sad to see yet another blog trying to make everyone play in the author's style. I'd have though J315 more creative.<br /><br />Eve's success lies in appealing to many play styles. Even the carebears, grinding away in relative safety, know they can be ganked any time they undock. The fantasy of playing in one of the most notoriously cut throat games is why they grind in Eve rather than Star Wars Galaxies. All of these cliques are important parts of the larger Eve community.<br /><br />Null sec has problems, but the solution is not to force high sec miners to go be targets in null sec. That's not the game they want to play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-56268356369693938792015-09-07T15:53:16.127+00:002015-09-07T15:53:16.127+00:00My god that is an epic wall of tearsMy god that is an epic wall of tearsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-9636698521007203822015-09-07T13:27:17.813+00:002015-09-07T13:27:17.813+00:00I'm confused. I was arguing against James315, ...I'm confused. I was arguing against James315, and those were 'tears', but arguing in favour of it is also 'tears'. Maybe you misread my comment?Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-2168651770799174432015-09-07T13:15:08.460+00:002015-09-07T13:15:08.460+00:00High-sec is boring, but making high-sec less borin...High-sec is boring, but making high-sec less boring is misinterpreting the results?<br /><br />I don't see how your logic follows? Please explain :).Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-36327864152457973182015-09-07T09:49:06.256+00:002015-09-07T09:49:06.256+00:00they dont forget it, they just interpret the resul...they dont forget it, they just interpret the results wrong. Boring hisec means to them they need to "improve" hisec instead of giving players the incentive to go to null sec where they get 24/7 content.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-40997479789960655252015-09-07T02:18:41.102+00:002015-09-07T02:18:41.102+00:00Preach it Black Pedro! 'This the end we fight!...Preach it Black Pedro! 'This the end we fight!<br /><br />-OinkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-7504834681309987962015-09-07T02:10:54.168+00:002015-09-07T02:10:54.168+00:00Holy shit! I've been in the imperium this whol...Holy shit! I've been in the imperium this whole time and didn't even know it! Somebody owes me some of that moon goo money! <br /><br />Wait, does this mean I have to know/care about nullsec affairs now? Shit...<br /><br />Real quick! I need a crash course! Here's a list of seemingly nullsec-related things that I've heard about, but never bothered to google. Please clarify what they are/do:<br /><br />Entosis thingy<br />SBUs<br />Jump fatigue<br />Outposts<br />'Plexes<br />Elo Knight?<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />-Galaxy PigAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-51657858254718244602015-09-07T01:03:35.764+00:002015-09-07T01:03:35.764+00:00CCP keeps forgetting it too. I don't know why ...CCP keeps forgetting it too. I don't know why they pay for studies if they're going to ignore the results. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-64610109865983048392015-09-07T00:22:51.214+00:002015-09-07T00:22:51.214+00:00Tossing in this too: My recollection is that every...Tossing in this too: My recollection is that every time CCP runs studies on what keeps players in the game, they find that it isn't the highsec ganks that make people unsubscribe. Rather, it's the highsec monotony -- the mission running, the mining, the tedium. Carebears keep forgetting that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-1506844640716624062015-09-07T00:09:57.880+00:002015-09-07T00:09:57.880+00:00Dear Anon 12:04 and 12:05, is English your first l...Dear Anon 12:04 and 12:05, is English your first language? I only ask because that giant wall of text above is completely incoherent. I honestly can't follow it, except to pick up a few typical carebear talking points. <br /><br />In fact, even if English is a second language to you, you should still feel ashamed of this final paragraph:<br /><br />"Then you can just get your ass back out to null and try to take some space instead of playing around with targets that cant shoot back in high-sec if you hate it so damn much!" <br /><br /><br />-Galaxy PigAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-41584643868461253162015-09-06T21:44:36.309+00:002015-09-06T21:44:36.309+00:00Read whatever you wish :). (These other people see...Read whatever you wish :). (These other people seem to.)<br /><br />I'm enjoying myself, and that's the only thing that matters to me. Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-16869269870309091842015-09-06T21:36:37.120+00:002015-09-06T21:36:37.120+00:00You obviously care enough to write so many words. ...You obviously care enough to write so many words. Classic BM fail.Alana Charen-Tenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12744322643950613859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-28248132084997255642015-09-06T21:35:10.579+00:002015-09-06T21:35:10.579+00:00Hard-headed carebears are resistant to the hammerb...Hard-headed carebears are resistant to the hammerblows of reason. One must still try, I suppose.Alana Charen-Tenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12744322643950613859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-15995818277518440102015-09-06T20:55:35.834+00:002015-09-06T20:55:35.834+00:00"Even though I live in null/low sec im going ..."Even though I live in null/low sec im going to cry about highsec - even though it doesnt concern me"<br /><br />Loving these pubbie tearsWolf Sopranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249377494075587678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-53779297325618432402015-09-06T20:54:34.894+00:002015-09-06T20:54:34.894+00:00Love lowsec pubbie tears rob - keep them upLove lowsec pubbie tears rob - keep them upWolf Sopranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249377494075587678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-25671341595321599682015-09-06T18:47:53.782+00:002015-09-06T18:47:53.782+00:00Character: Rob Kaichin
Corporation: Empire Assault...Character: Rob Kaichin<br />Corporation: Empire Assault Corp<br />Alliance: Dead Terrorists<br /><br />https://beta.eve-kill.net/character/93148492/<br /><br />Please, argue with facts, not delusions. :)Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-5628221703217235182015-09-06T17:48:13.491+00:002015-09-06T17:48:13.491+00:00Ah, I see that my anonymous stalker is here. You ...Ah, I see that my anonymous stalker is here. You think I actually care what you say?<br /><br />BWHAHAHAHA.<br /><br />In actuality, I think that you are the pedophile, since you keep bringing it up here. As for my opinion, I'm going to keep posting it, since it seems to piss you off so much. I'm laughing at you. So go ahead and keep responding with your impotent rage at the keyboard, because that's all that you can do.<br /><br />+25 points for a pissed off response.<br /><br />And to disprove your accusation that I am the fake Butthurt Miner, I leave this little tidbit for you:<br /><br />We all know Jimmy the Butt Fungus Picker is a cannibal. After all, he commands all his agents to get the corpses of those he kills so he can eat them to fuel his <a href="http://tinyurl.com/plqzrgn" rel="nofollow">weird glowing ass</a>. Just look at what <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ofgq2jb" rel="nofollow">he did to your mom</a> when she fell victim to their unholy wrath.<br /><br />You have to understand, he needs to keep eating corpses, otherwise his glowing ass will turn into a black hole which will suck everything in...including <a href="https://www.blogger.com/profile/03334659854115422485" rel="nofollow">Sasha Nyemtsov</a>'s really <a href="http://tinyurl.com/pet5pfx" rel="nofollow">narly dick</a>.<br /><br />This is another quality trollific post from your friends at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/55bsxu" rel="nofollow">Carebears <br />United</a>.<br /><br />We are many. We are strong. The code will fall. The code will fail. A free highsec is worth fighting for. Saving highsec from the savior of highsec, one carebear at a time.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12970728498393311333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-18358416060999333242015-09-06T17:40:22.856+00:002015-09-06T17:40:22.856+00:00Wrong, anon306
In low you have gate guns.
Remove ...Wrong, anon306<br />In low you have gate guns. <br />Remove all npc interference. <br />Make all of EvE operate on null mechanics. <br />Screw carebear retention.<br />Make combat pilots out of them, or destroy them. No more coddling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-81137481191158624232015-09-06T16:51:01.683+00:002015-09-06T16:51:01.683+00:00I'm gonna add to my own comment.
There seems ...I'm gonna add to my own comment.<br /><br />There seems to be this huge thing about protecting "new players" and "CCP's finances". Remember the battle of B-R5RB that involved 7000 players and had damages of 11 trillion ISK (that's 11 million million)?<br /><br />The days that followed had tens of thousands of new players. TENS OF THOUSANDS, based purely on and simply on the news coverage of that battle.<br /><br />What keeps being suggested for "CCP finances' sake" is that we accomodate the people who want to isk grind for no reason other than to do so and otherwise provide no content. But it's been proven beyond doubt that far more people than currently subscribe LOVE the idea of fighting or being involved in massive battles.<br /><br />So why aren't they? I'm not a 0.0 dweller, I'm a low seccer, but it seems from what I read that 0.0 is either boring or alliances just don't want to fight for whatever reason.<br /><br />But my main point here is that it's proven that CCP finances do not solely rely on people who press f1 then wonder off for half hour.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-86271541549158611472015-09-06T16:28:01.215+00:002015-09-06T16:28:01.215+00:00@Anon 2:26
High sec is a great place for training...@Anon 2:26<br /><br />High sec is a great place for training ground. New players can spend a few weeks learning the mechanics, learning how to fit and fly, learning what the skills mean and why they should care, and smacking the occasional npc.<br /><br />Then, they can join a nullsec alliance where they'll be supported with ship replacement programs and experienced players, and they defend their space and fight and mine and build ships and everything they can do in highsec (with rewards so great they can afford a cruiser after a few minutes work).<br /><br />I'm quite sure the point James is making is that you can do all that very low risk in highsec, so there's simply no incentive to go to 0.0, so most people don't. James is saying make the rewards in high sec so pittiful that they're only useful for training, but if you want to actually do anything in the game you have to go into more dangerous areas.<br /><br />This isn't about "new players", it's about making it exciting for all players. How many times have you seen miners go "I don't want to watch it mine, it's boring!", they're just addicted to watching isk creep up but it's otherwise pointless.<br /><br />So, let's say everyone has to join 0.0 or earn very little in high.. well now everyone can group together. This will lead to more fights, and more excitement for everyone. Anyone who can't handle it can find another MMO which is fine. Highsec dwellers who's only excitement is currently having a 0.05 ISK spike in the price for their ORE will have adrenaline rushes daily. I'm willing to bet the subscriptions would even rise!<br /><br />As it is right now, and from what I understand as it's been for a few years, not a huge amount goes on in 0.0. Some skirmeshes, the odd massive battle. But as James said, CODE. are generating far far more content, as evidenced by killboards and EVE-O posts alike.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-91966199566953582182015-09-06T15:59:10.050+00:002015-09-06T15:59:10.050+00:00Black Pedro, always the voice of reason, who manag...Black Pedro, always the voice of reason, who manages to stand out from the braying mob by dint of sense alone...<br /><br />Long may you grace our discourses - and curb our carebears!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-78923208071884817282015-09-06T15:06:27.547+00:002015-09-06T15:06:27.547+00:00Why 0.0 and not lowsec?
0.0 is actually the same ...Why 0.0 and not lowsec?<br /><br />0.0 is actually the same as highsec with plenty of carebears in both.<br />So more 0.0 would not solve anything as the carebears would be living in rental space instead.<br />The only thing that would change is that new order would have no content:P<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com