tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post8731238359422391447..comments2024-03-29T09:31:29.226+00:00Comments on MinerBumping.com: A Calming Influence, Part 1MinerBumpinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16932737268774492206noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-7801137371900284832016-01-12T23:22:32.401+00:002016-01-12T23:22:32.401+00:00"Even Mercedes-Benz isn't an apt analogy&..."Even Mercedes-Benz isn't an apt analogy"<br /><br />Obviously you have never driven a Mercedes-Benz.<br /><br />Surprisingly, I believe you are overcomplicating the issue here. CCP is a profit-driven company, not a charity. One of their goals is to attract new investors and retain the ones they have. Declining subscription numbers are an indicator for declining revenue. This may put off new investors and even chase away the existing ones. Believing that investors are interested in anything else than ROI's is naïve. Cute, but naïve.<br /><br />Do not get me wrong, I am not against CODE or suicide ganking in general, however your defense is singleminded:<br />"It is the fact that you must use 13 different player-created tools..." Is it? Why are those tools not included in the original installation? Because it is what YOU need to keep YOU satisfied. Many players enjoy the game with less immersion. I know I did.<br />" It is that you absolutely must make friends to survive in this game" Again, this is how YOU want to play the game<br />I think it is up to every player to decide that for himself. Many players can do without the corporation hassle and drama, or the fleet droning.<br /><br />Enforcing a playstyle on high-sec may have a negative influence on the perception a new player will have of the open world nature of the game.<br /><br />I believe that the CODE-EVE relation is currently symbiotic, maybe even synergetic, but too much CODE presence in high-sec may eventually turn this to a parasitic one; CODE devouring its host resulting in the death of both. (Appreciate or excuse my sense of drama)<br /><br />Please accept the following as a token of peace:<br /><br />Fit your cat: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-8248657495163625932016-01-12T22:09:06.956+00:002016-01-12T22:09:06.956+00:00"Even Mercedes-Benz isn't an apt analogy&..."Even Mercedes-Benz isn't an apt analogy"<br />Obviously you have never driven a Mercedes-Benz.<br /> <br />I am afraid you are overcomplicating the issue here. CCP is a profit-driven company, not a charity.<br /><br />As an investor I am interested in returns. Declining subscriptions may be an indicator for lower returns, which may put off new investors and drive out the existing ones.<br /><br />Do not get me wrong, I am not against CODE, or suicide ganking in general. However, your defense is singleminded:<br />"It is this that makes EVE Online "an experience." It is the fact that you must use 13 different player-created tools to process the information that EVE gives you"<br />If that were true, why are those tools not delivered with the game? Because it is what YOU need to keep YOU satisfied. Someone else may enjoy the game without that level of immersion. I know I did.<br />"It is that you absolutely must make friends to survive in this game"<br />Again, this is what YOU need to enjoy the game. Many player do not like the hassle with corporation drama, fleet droning etcetera. They do fine as freelancers, solo pirating and so forth.<br /><br />Dictating a playstyle in High-Sec (In a way the entrance to the game) may change a new player's perception of the supposedly open-ended nature of the game.<br /><br />At the moment I believe the CODE-Eve relation to be symbiotic, maybe even synergetic. However, a CODE presence too large could tip the nature of this relationship to parasitic; CODE devours the host, resulting in the death of both. (You have to either appreciate or excuse my sense of drama)<br /><br />Please accept the following as a token of peace:<br /><br />Fit your cat: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-39815471233171614582016-01-12T20:54:41.961+00:002016-01-12T20:54:41.961+00:00@Anon8:22
No, I think you're oversimplifying ...@Anon8:22<br /><br />No, I think you're oversimplifying the issue.<br /><br />CCP <i>isn't</i> selling a product. They're selling an <i>experience.</i> Even Mercedes-Benz isn't an apt analogy; It is a car company. It makes and then services that product. Its product is very similar to Lexus, Audi, and several other car companies. <br /><br />EVE is different. It produces the only form of "Internet Spaceships" or even "MMORPGs" that retain paying subscriptions after 12 years of existence. <i>That</i> is something that, as an investor, you would be interested in.<br /><br />What makes EVE Online different from other "cars" in the market? The fact that EVE Online is the only game committed to free and open and unlimited PvP, both in the market and in space, instead of an instanced, opt-in, no-risk excuse for PvP like every other game does.<br /><br />It is this that makes EVE Online "an experience." It is the fact that you must use 13 different player-created tools to process the information that EVE gives you. It is that you absolutely <i>must</i> make friends to survive in this game. It is that you must take RL precautions against spying, and keep track of who said what where, who saw you where, and who knows what, or else, someone keeping track will jump you and relieve you of your stuff. It is that consequences are real, and there are no "safe-zones" where "players can mine in peace," unless they purchase a New Order Permit and obey the Code, Praise James. <br /><br />This is what the New Order is here to protect and defend. This is what The Code was written for, and what the New Order stands for. And because of this, The New Order will endure, until we have 100% Code-compliance. <br /><br />Also, would you please give me a link on how to fit a Catalyst? I was looking for it here, but the gentleman who was upset-posting it seems to be slacking on the job. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-2914333160763043592016-01-12T20:22:44.202+00:002016-01-12T20:22:44.202+00:00"This is why EA is a shitty company, and I da..."This is why EA is a shitty company, and I dare you to tell me otherwise."<br /><br />From a gamer's standpoint you may call EA's approach questionable, from an investor's point of view, I would not call a billion dollar profit (WIKI, EA financial statements) company 'shitty'.<br /><br />As for the analogy, maybe more abstraction is required to make you understand, with the car salesman I obviously referred to the whole car company in general. In that CCP and for example Mercedes-Benz are not so different: They build stuff, sell stuff and maintain stuff.<br /><br />Unfortunately, this is all the time I have to elaborate on this issue, I may get back on the rest of your reply when my schedule allows for it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-30745977790960106832016-01-12T18:51:08.488+00:002016-01-12T18:51:08.488+00:00But because ganking exists now, you must understan...But because ganking exists <i>now</i>, you must understand, that CCP <i>has accepted it as a legitimate and intended playstyle.</i> No matter how much the miners attempt to laughably organize, no matter how much they petition, they will not be heard. Ganking is here to stay. And as long as there are non-compliant miners, The New Order will be here to stop them. <br /><br /><br />And lastly, what the New Order does is <i>not</i> vandalism. It is Education. Education about the game, Its Saviour, and about the dangers of PvE. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-88544691931227368192016-01-12T18:49:55.437+00:002016-01-12T18:49:55.437+00:00@Anon5:00
Let us examine your flawed argument in ...@Anon5:00<br /><br />Let us examine your flawed argument in minute detail, so that all may benefit.<br /><br />First, name me one other technology company that has relations with their community on the level that CCP does with theirs. Pirahna? Nope. EA? Laughably Nope. Maxis? You remember that whole debacle with SimCity? Nope. Bioware? Nope. Blizzard? The most you can submit is a bug report which won't be looked at by a human. Nope.<br /><br />You are correct in that CCP <i>isn't</i> immune to competition. Or they wouldn't be, that is, <i>If there were indeed another company that could do what CCP is doing.</i> If there were, I'm sure there would be a lot of people jumping ship. <br /><br />But there simply isn't one.<br /><br />Elite Dangerous? Nope. (and the carebears are already whining about CODE. popping up there as well.)<br />Star Citizen? Nope. (Who the fuck plays Star Citizen?)<br />Star Trek Online? Nope. (It's a single-player game about PvE and monetization. Go play it if you don't believe me.)<br /><br />CCP is the <i>only</i> company that has direct playerbase representation in their design model, has devs regularly answering questions on Reddit, (instead of banning questions on Reddit) and directly (and by directly, I mean physically face-to-face) interacting with its players. It is the only company not actually terrified of its community, and it is the only company reaping the benefits of a positive player/developer relationship instead of finding ways to <i>protect</i> its staff from its playerbase. <br /><br />Now, let's turn our attention to your less-than-careful analogy.<br /><br />Car salesmen never see their customers again after they sell them cars. They don't even see them again if the car breaks down; that's a job for the service department. It is not the job of the Car Salesman to determine what the car driver will do after they purchase the car; that is irrelevant. Its <i>only</i> purpose is to sell the car like some kind of robot. Nothing else.<br /><br />By contrast, CCP is not interested in "selling you a product" the way a Car Salesman would. They are interested in selling you "an experience." An experience full of danger and decisions, an experience that is unforgiving that tests you in ways you can't imagine, an experience that pits you against your fellow capsuleer and rewards only those who are victorious, leaving the defeated destitute and scrambling. <br /><br />They are also selling you "a relationship." A relationship made present by frequent updates, community feedback, an API system, and accessible staff. <br /><br />By contrast, it is <i>all the other game companies</i> like Blizzard, EA, etc. that are attempting to be Car Salesmen. They are afraid of direct feedback, they are afraid of their communities, they are afraid of getting their little feelings hurt or dealing with the real reactions of the public to their products. This is why EA is a shitty company, and I dare you to tell me otherwise.<br /><br />Finally, Ganking <i>has</i> recieved <i>some</i> nerfs as CCP has refined its vision for CONCORD, but have you ever stopped to realize... that ganking still exists? <br /><br />As long as CCP continues to force new players to make the original choice between the gun and the mining laser on their Rookie Ships, there will always be capsuleers that choose the coward's way out. There will always be those that choose that mining laser, and as we have seen, those are the capsuleers that are the most prone to turn into the worst examples of EVE players, both toward other players and to CCP. Buffing ganking would allow the New Order to more effectively complete CCP's wishes for The Code to be practiced by all capsuleers, but <i>it would not stop miners from happening,</i> as attractive a scenario that is to me, personally. A Final Victory for The New Order is all I can think about sometimes. <br /><br />continued..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-55005873611659880092016-01-12T18:20:48.427+00:002016-01-12T18:20:48.427+00:00Who is this new angry agent? I kinda like 'em....Who is this new angry agent? I kinda like 'em... <br /><br />-Galaxy PigAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-73148099627844225622016-01-12T17:00:38.322+00:002016-01-12T17:00:38.322+00:00Interesting long read.
The arguments in your firs...Interesting long read.<br /><br />The arguments in your first alinea are flawed, Eve definitely has one of the best community-company relations in the field, but they are definitely not the only one, neither are they immune to competition.<br /><br />Now, imagine you are a car salesman. Would you want your customers to be good drivers, or would you want to sell as many cars as you possibly can? I have bought and wrecked quite a bunch of cars since I got my license, but I never met a salesman that fit in the first category.<br /><br />The fact that ganking is nerfed release after release (quicker CONCORD response, no insurance payout after concorddokkened) says that CCP does not entirely agree on CODE's practice. Any which way, CODE seems to be on a road to nowhere, a catch 22 if you want:<br />- ganking will be nerfed to a point it is no longer a viable playstyle. No more tears, no more CODE.<br />- ganking will be buffed, high sec mining is no longer a viable playstyle, no more carebears, no more tears, no more CODE.<br /><br />As I do agree on a lot of arguments CODE has for high sec ganking (no AFK'ing, botting etc...) sometimes I cannot escape from the sense of similarity between soccer hooligans and CODE: Vandalizing out of affection, loving the game to death.<br /><br />TL;DR All good things in moderation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-50711888300325413752016-01-12T16:25:39.794+00:002016-01-12T16:25:39.794+00:00What The Honorable Ming said. Hisec gankers help e...What The Honorable Ming said. Hisec gankers help expose carebears to the one thing able keep EvE players resubbing every month, shooting someone in the face. <br /><br />Coincidence that PvP is responsible for player retention? No way foo! That is the original vision of the CCP devs. You can dispute thus all day, but sandbox PvP, in all its forms of fuckery, was always he intended to be the endgame, the meta before meta was a thing.<br /><br />Some of my best friends in EvE are now also RL friends. They are the reason i continue to resub month after nerfy month. <br />And we met throuh some sort of fuckery in game. Almost always against each other, or as a direct result.<br /><br />You cannot EvE while afk in a gawd dammed mining barge. What the fuck part of this do the carebars not grasp?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-42770887929330223202016-01-12T16:05:04.084+00:002016-01-12T16:05:04.084+00:00@Anon2:54
Why don't we take a second and view...@Anon2:54<br /><br />Why don't we take a second and view your comment through CCP's eyes?<br /><br />Imagine you are CCP for a moment. You are the only major game, no, <i>technology</i> company that solicits player feedback. You are the only company where it is possible to send them a letter and get a non-robot response back. Blizzard, Playstation, Facebook, EA, Google, <i>none</i> of these companies would even <i>dream</i> of having a direct relationship with their community. <br /><br />Now, bring into focus of <i>why</i> this is. The answer is: Pubbies.<br /><br />Pubbies, roaming all over Facebook. PSN. World of Warcraft. <br /><br /><i>These are the worst kinds of people in existence, and it is impossible to have a meaningful conversation with them, much less their "community."</i><br /><br />Therefore, it is necessary to have a filter. A "Step up," if you will. A way to separate those who are "unworthy" of joining your community from those that are.<br /><br />The New Order is one of these mechanisms. And the fact that it exists and continues to thrive, every day, is tacit proof that CCP, in fact, <i>doesn't</i> want every mouthbreathing neckbeard playing their game. Mechanisms that say "You can't come in here" <i>are needed</i> to keep those without a real commitment away from those who are worthy. <br /><br />In the end, it <i>is</i> the quality, not the quantity, of players that should have the privilege of interacting with such a wonderful and diverse community. <br /><br />And if you aren't capable of following something as simple as the New Halaima Code of Conduct, CCP itself has basically said, "We don't want you in this game, until you do follow The Code."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-63834714018014993672016-01-12T15:51:49.260+00:002016-01-12T15:51:49.260+00:00@Anon3:24
That is not what has happened. EVE Onli...@Anon3:24<br /><br />That is not what has happened. EVE Online subscriptions, unfortunately have been in decline. There are many reasons for this; a stagnant sovereignty system, Supercapitals not being able to dock, an inability to create narrative, etc. <br /><br />However, what is indisputable, (and backed up by CCP's numbers,) is that The New Order, contrary to carebear belief, has been found to <i>retain</i> EVE Online subscriptions, because of the New Order's mission of outreach to carebears, by introducing them to PvP that otherwise they never would have found. <i>We have SAVED</i> these carebears from unsubscription due to the frankly comparatively boring PvE Content that EVE Online provides, and shown them another path, the path to the "Good Eve."<br /><br />Therefore, it can be said that while other areas of EVE Online can be a drain, it is The New Order that provides much of its player retention. To prove my point; look at the various carebears who continually visit Minerbumping.com daily, that do not agree with James 315's (praise him) Vision of the Code, yet, can't quite seem to tear themselves away. <br /><br />What is this, other than a direct demonstration that The Code improves player retention?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-3160007339671156092016-01-12T15:24:53.583+00:002016-01-12T15:24:53.583+00:00ah I get it, thanks for the info. ah I get it, thanks for the info. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-39304417067391292272016-01-12T15:24:29.676+00:002016-01-12T15:24:29.676+00:00Can somebody from CHODE. please provide a link to ...Can somebody from CHODE. please provide a link to real statistics proving that EO subscription numbers have increased since the scourge of Jamey was released on high sec?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-80164447203712267402016-01-12T15:08:47.042+00:002016-01-12T15:08:47.042+00:00@Anon10:11
The simple Truth of the matter is that...@Anon10:11<br /><br />The simple Truth of the matter is that The Code Existed long before CCP's "Golden Rules." <br /><br />The Code mandated that miners were required to type "gf" in Local after a combat-related encounter with a New Order Agent, as is good etiquette for PvP-related activities in EVE Online. <br /><br />This admission acknowledges the reality that the owner of each ship in a PvP-related encounter is fully responsible for the losses that they might encounter; Code is responsible for each ship they may lose to CONCORD; and similarly, Miners are responsible for each ship that they lose to CODE. for not following the New Halaima Code of Conduct. <br /><br />Therefore, the line "If you lose a ship, it is almost <i>ALWAYS</i> your fault. Really, only yours."<br /><br />Note that a particular word that appears in CODE.'s logo, and is part of our mantra, appears there.<br /><br />That isn't a coincidence. <br /><br />Neither is the fact that CCP started talking about how CODE helps player retention <i>exactly</i> at the 3:15:00 mark in CCP Rise's presentation at Fanfest. <br /><br />CCP knows we're here, and what we're doing. And they more than tacitly support The Code and James 315's vision. <br /><br />You know this to be true. <br /><br />Now is the time to stop fighting it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-12064908175202628672016-01-12T14:55:53.510+00:002016-01-12T14:55:53.510+00:00@Anon1158
The "copy/paste" that you are...@Anon1158<br /><br />The "copy/paste" that you are referring to is that particular Anon's way of expressing his unique frustration with me, in particular. <br /><br />It believes that if it continues to figuratively stick its fingers in its ears and yell "nyah, nyah nyah, nyah nyah" in a loud enough manner, the Truth of the Code will be able to be drowned out, and that it will not have to face facts.<br /><br />This is okay. The New Order allows for personal choice. This includes the choice to sit in time out looking stupid. It also includes the choice of purchasing a permit and coming out of time out and rejoining the community in a less petulant way. <br /><br />Either way, the New Order will be here, enforcing the Code, as will I. Always. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08391782164106074552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-5128924250333313132016-01-12T14:54:26.559+00:002016-01-12T14:54:26.559+00:00"We dont need more players, we need more qual..."We dont need more players, we need more quality players, and this does not include the hisec dweller."<br /><br /><br />I think CCP would disagree on this one...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-71772729446981613192016-01-12T14:22:13.424+00:002016-01-12T14:22:13.424+00:00Just kill all hisec miners. Thats what we do all d...Just kill all hisec miners. Thats what we do all day and we are not even CODE.<br /><br />However, if you want to see some impotent carebear rage, try to sell the bitch a permit after you kill him. Then you get the real salt.<br /><br />We have tried just killing hisec carebears, and that is fun as hell without the permit rp, but add in a few jabs about the 'perp' needing a permit to mine in 'our hisec systems', and the crybear will lose their shit. All over 10 million isk.<br /><br />If you really want to make them squeal, after they rage for a few minutes, tell the sperglords that CCP asked for permit sales to be added to James' original business plan. Holy shit we get the best tears from that alone.<br /><br />Thanks James, you (and CCP) have given us everything we need to punish these hisec bitches where it hurts them the most, by destroying their incorrect assumptions that 'hisec should be safe' and 'hisec miners matter'. <br /><br />As long as James and the CODE agents continue expose these carebears for the rabid sperglords they are, my crew will continue to destroy carebears as a show of support, while our nullsec alts mine all the ore we need.<br />We wont stop until hisec is populated with newbros only. We will Void any character over 30 days old that we find in hisec.<br /><br />Support CODE, support a healthier EvE. <br />Remove hisec and watch EvE evolve into the perfect PvP sandbox.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-36443321583636725402016-01-12T14:09:29.081+00:002016-01-12T14:09:29.081+00:00Give 'em a break, man. It's all they have....Give 'em a break, man. It's all they have... <br /><br />-OinkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-36867556019203714512016-01-12T11:58:37.360+00:002016-01-12T11:58:37.360+00:00I don't get why this anon keeps posting this.....I don't get why this anon keeps posting this...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-44374139652929855622016-01-12T11:21:31.409+00:002016-01-12T11:21:31.409+00:00Unsalted popcorn probably, right?Unsalted popcorn probably, right?Liek Darzhttp://www.minerbumping.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-18876328498436988802016-01-12T10:04:44.291+00:002016-01-12T10:04:44.291+00:00Im eating popcorn while enjoying these carebear te...Im eating popcorn while enjoying these carebear tears.Wolf Sopranohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15249377494075587678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-55977621225857322012016-01-12T03:41:57.104+00:002016-01-12T03:41:57.104+00:00CCP would never make a statement about the New Ord...CCP would never make a statement about the New Order... of course not... they would never endorse anything like a mining permit. Nope. Never.<br /><br />I'm just going to leave this TOTALLY UNRELATED link here for people to enjoy. Totally unrelated... yep...<br /><br />http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html?m=1Jacqueline Zartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00614572521745158553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-52723621395019422232016-01-12T03:05:36.738+00:002016-01-12T03:05:36.738+00:00Yes Alana, you code monkeys need some tuff love......Yes Alana, you code monkeys need some tuff love...and some attitude adjustments...@2:36, After you go back first...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-52801287254210268512016-01-12T02:44:40.069+00:002016-01-12T02:44:40.069+00:00There, there, carebear!There, there, carebear!Alana Charen-Tenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12744322643950613859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1359240470593955814.post-90197460238517238222016-01-12T02:43:46.976+00:002016-01-12T02:43:46.976+00:00Daym brutha getting some tuff love in hurr.Daym brutha getting some tuff love in hurr.Alana Charen-Tenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12744322643950613859noreply@blogger.com