Rusell > it is guilty a freighter who is ganked?Rusell was sharply criticized by Alexander Kaan, who blamed him for hauling expensive cargo without taking any precautions. But Rusell responded that there is no way to avoid being killed by determined gankers--a claim that called into question the purpose of Anti-Ganking.
Alexander Kaan > if you can take measures to prevent yourself from getting ganked and you didn't take these measures, you did a mistake, yes
Rusell > Alexander Kaan i dont trust you anymore
Rusell > thats is absolutely false
Rusell > no measures if they decide go for you you cannot do anything
Gate Gate Gate > Its a pvp game, you thinking flying a 9bil freighter isnt going to get other players to want to kill it? you filled it with your greed and lost it, completely your faultTo Rusell's great surprise, the younger generation of Anti-Gankers did not passively accept his wisdom on the subject. Instead, the old man was subjected to a blistering series of critiques from multiple Anti-Gankers.
Dorothy I > Rusell, the best thing you can do is become informed and inform other people about preventive action. As it is, you are only financing CODE with your losses and giving them content for their sad website.
Alexander Kaan > Rusell, we know how eve works, don't we? If I go out there and get ganked, that was my fault, unless it was due to some bug in the eve client
Rusell > Alexander Kaan you are insulting all the people who has helped me you are not good personRusell attempted to rally support by denouncing his chief critic as a Goon and a "not good person".
Alexander Kaan > yeah okay
Rusell > Alexander Kaan you are untrustfull and a goon
Rusell > i want to finish with your business
Alexander Kaan > Rusell, you still didn't learn how Eve works I seeRusell failed to discredit Alexander. In fact, the attacks only seemed to embolden him.
Alexander Kaan > if you lose a ship in Eve, it means you screwed up something
Gate Gate Gate > Rusell You're the type of person whod drive into the hood with a audi convertable, leave the hood off and the keys in the ignition then go have a nap in a nearby motel and wonder why your car got stolen
Rusell > eve works as you want but there is only common sense for the gankersNext, Rusell argued that by blaming the victim, Alexander was insulting all of the Anti-Gankers who try to interfere with ganks.
Rusell > Alexander Kaan do not mention my name anymore
Rusell > and do not insult the people with good willing
Alexander Kaan > I can still answer without mentioning your name, right? :P
Alexander Kaan > I missed the part where I insulted people
Alexander Kaan > I didn't even insult you, I told you you did not protect your hauling op with enough measuresOn another day, perhaps Rusell's strategy would have succeeded. Alexander might have been banned from the channel on suspicion of harboring Goon sympathies. But the loss of an 8.8 billion isk freighter had severely undermined Rusell's credibility.
Rusell > telling that a freighter is guilty because is ganked is absolutely unfair like you are
Rusell > you are unfair person
Alexander Kaan > well, that's the truth, though. I am always willing to tell people how to fix the error but there's no hiding from the fact that anyone losing a ship has screwed up something
Dorothy I > That's the point, Eve doesn't work as you want. You have to adapt for Eve and keep adapting depending on how other people adapt to it. Sure, there could be a different approach to ganking, but there isn't.Rusell couldn't believe what he was hearing. It was as if the Anti-Ganking channel had been taken over by a bunch of Code supporters.
Gate Gate Gate > whats the point of this game if your safe to do whatever you want, you want a single player game
Rusell > telling me that im guilty because they have decide to harass me all the weekend makes me guilty?
Rusell > if you are caught you are caught
Alexander Kaan > step1: don't get caughtWith a chorus of supporters backing him up, Alexander went on to tell Rusell all the things he'd done wrong. Now it was Rusell's turn to lose his patience:
Alexander Kaan > step2: don't haul too much collateral to make the gank worth it
Alexander Kaan > step3: try to avoid accepting trap courier contracts
Gate Gate Gate > step1 is more like dont fly a freighter with 8bil inside
Rusell > whereThe Anti-Ganking leader exploded at his critics, declaring that the gankers had total control of all the highsec trade routes. It was a stunning admission; the New Order's enemies sometimes question our relevance. Rusell had gone dangerously off-message.
Rusell > where do you want that i go
Rusell > they controll 24 hours per day perimeter urlen sivala uedama and niarja kaap and madirmilire
Rusell > you pass by if they want if not you wont pass by
Gate Gate Gate > then he should take the huge risk like a manIf Rusell hoped that his fellow Anti-Gankers would join him in complaining about the unfairness of EVE's game mechanics, his hopes were disappointed.
Alexander Kaan > I don't care where you go, my point is that I've lost my share of ships too. I once lost a Retriever to CODE because I was mining Ice while taking a dump away from computer and it was my goddamn fault ;)
Dorothy I > Archeage handled it differently. You can get sent to prison and then to trial, you can get expelled from your nation, you can't swing back with reputation as easily. But that isn't EVE, and this isn't the suggestion forum.
Alexander Kaan > ever heard about webbing alts?Desperate, Rusell tried to invoke the name of Jennifer en Marland, another celebrated Anti-Ganker. Jennifer also happened to be a channel moderator. If Alexander criticized her, he might be banned as a CODE. spy.
Alexander Kaan > or scouts, even
Alexander Kaan > or not hauling the courier with the same pilot you accept the contract from
Gate Gate Gate > hed rather be lazy and blame the game for him being stupid
Rusell > are you calling stupid to jennifer?
Rusell > jennifer was webbing me Alexander Kaan
Alexander Kaan > something clearly went wrong and I don't know what because I wasn't there. Doesn't change the fact that you could have taken measures to avoid the gank but you didn'tAlexander stepped around the trap set by Rusell and continued to press his attack.
Rusell > what measures
Rusell > its funny read you
Alexander Kaan > that's the problem, you aren't taking advice seriously
Rusell > you dont realize Alexander Kaan that you are playing a game for the goonsRusell only grew angrier. He now believed that Alexander was attempting to usurp his role as a leader of the Anti-Gankers. But Rusell wouldn't give up without a fight. If his opponents wanted an Anti-Ganking civil war, he was more than happy to give them one.
Rusell > advice me lets see you
Rusell > i hope dont see you in any freighter
Alexander Kaan > you threatening me about something?
To be continued...
How CODE acts:ReplyDelete
Government agencies at all levels aimed to exclude Jews from the economic sphere of Germany by preventing them from earning a living. Jews were required to register their domestic and foreign property and assets, a prelude to the gradual expropriation of their material wealth by the state. Likewise, the German authorities intended to "Aryanize" all Jewish businesses, a process involving the dismissal of Jewish workers and managers, as well as the transfer of companies and enterprises to non-Jewish Germans, who bought them at prices officially fixed well below market value. From April 1933 to April 1938, "Aryanization" effectively reduced the number of Jewish-owned businesses in Germany by approximately two-thirds.
What code forces miners to pay for:
During the Nazi era, German authorities reintroduced the Jewish badge as a key element in their plan to persecute and eventually to destroy the Jewish population of Europe. They used the badge not only to stigmatize and humiliate Jews but also to segregate them and to watch and control their movements.
So little control over your life... Shame.Delete
The problem is CODE then starting to hold miners to THEIR set of rules, essentially trying to force the miners to play they way CODE does. That’s fascism, plain and simple.Delete
It’s ironic that CODE is standing up against the “fascism” of CCP making Highsec safer and safer, only to impose their own brand of fascist standards. Also, they hypocrisy of claiming that if you’re at your keyboard, you’ll be safe, then baiting responses from their victims…
If you don't like our way of government you should fight us. It is the same as it has ever been throughout history.Delete
Maybe we can set up a couple free systems for miners to mine. We'll call them reservations.
"Also, they hypocrisy of claiming that if you’re at your keyboard, you’ll be safe..."Delete
Literally no one has ever said that. Ever.
Why is the Code so hard for carbears to read and comprehend?
For shitters like you. It's more than you deserve, but we feel generous.
Yessa massa please put us in a place all rounded up nice like so wessa can be killed easy.Delete
No no no, your doing slavery this is Nazism your supposed to say Oy Vay and shit. No please don't put us in a camp it will make me all mashugena.Delete
Ya know we will take those safe systems lets say...... High Sec.Delete
Going long on popcorn.ReplyDelete
Truly the Spirit of James pervades even the dens of scum, villainy and incompetent antigankers!
Oh no, these pesky miners are doing something the game allows to make money without hurting anyone! Shame on them!Delete
it’s like hunting baby ducks in a pond and bragging about it. That doesn’t strike me as a “ferocious hunter” vibe, maybe ginormous amounts of twatness but nothing to write home about hunter business…Delete
You got something against duck hunters?Delete
Duck hunters actually hunt, those who would shoot ducklings in a barrel aren't hunting.Delete
You seem to have a very low opinion of miners. Instead of discriminating against them like you, James 315 holds miners to the high standard of The Code, confident that they will adapt and start behaving like real capsuleers.Delete
Oh lord heres Admiral Erich "the PIG" Raeder againDelete
So they need to wear their permits at all time right Lawrence?Delete
Woah antigankers are failing so hard non-stop daily.ReplyDelete
P.s anyone seen mr normus
AG hubby seeing some one else? Or are you two still fighting?Delete
Loyal is right.Delete
Loyal is a carebear spy and a traitor.Delete
This guy needs to get a new husband hes been bitching about his AG for months now.Delete
No but Hugh Mungus ran off with your wife.Delete
Good evening, New Eden. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition, the totality of blogs. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, where upon important events of the past, usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with moderator accounts will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well, certainly, there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable. But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, ganking. They were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, James 315. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. This night, I seek to end that silence. This night, I corrupt the MB to remind this community of what it has forgotten. A great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words; they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this Code remain unknown to you, then I would suggest that you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me, inside the gates of High Sec, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot.ReplyDelete
The genuine V was just an anarchist. James is a pacifier, educator and democrat.Delete
Nice speech though, pity you had to bollocks the whole thing up.
Matter of perspective friend, I like his V adaptation.Delete
V wasn't an anarchist but he did favor more of a control by the people attitude rather than the government controls that slowly entangled every bodies lives. His true reasoning wasn't to disrupt government but to expose the crimes it committed to reach the totalitarian heights that it held for far too long. The best way to bring any government down is of course to educate the people and bring them out in force to stand with solidarity against an oppressive regime. He even admits that there was no certainty to his plan, just a hope that people would listen and react as he was predicting. It was all a revenge plot really with the higher stance that he would awaken people to the oppression they lived under.Delete
Great movie too.
I play mostly in null-sec and wormhole space, and CODE is regarded mostly as a joke by the rest of us. They see themselves as strong elite PVPer’s and nefarious criminals, and portray themselves this way when they want to look good for interviews. We see them as too weak and cowardly to engage in combat with the rest of the PvP oriented groups, rarely ever daring to step into low (or god forbid, null) security space.
Everyone likes to gank miners and traders, it’s fun. But only CODE pretends (maybe deluding themselves) that this makes you powerful and respected (in that “fear = respect” way that many of the nullsec achieve)
Like so many people, you have it utterly wrong. You don't see our gameplay for what it really is, but project a version which suits your own need to make available to yourself a semblance of superiority.Delete
So, let me make it clear for you. Irony. Look it up. Of course, there are bound to be those amongst us who don't get it either! But exposure and education hopefully go hand in hand.
When you realise that the accepted purpose of playing a video game is the generation of enjoyment - of 'fun', it should be clear enough.
As for our 'rarely ever daring to step into (not-Highsec)', know that alts are a thing, and that, just as Nullsec folk mine in Highsec on alts, so Highsec gankers spend time elsewhere in New Eden. I'd have thought it obvious to someone who plays mostly in Null and WH space, but then I'd have thought the irony was pretty obvious, too.
I love the way certain players of EVE can say that the game is defined by player actions while simultaneously claiming that other people are playing it wrong.Delete
"If it is not James' way then it is wrong and you must be punished" The common translation of all of this.Delete
Nazis don't get education they just get indoctrination. Then defend it with great Zeal. "We are right because we are superior in every way, this is how the world should be." Sounds vaguely familiar, oh yes CODE says that about EVE. Right now I get the Nazi reference completely.Delete
SO you only do high sec as code but wont take code into low or null, so you play your alts in a corp that your willing to risk while saving codes corps for the safe bet. Got it.Delete
Alas, Anon, you haven't 'got it' at all. Are you people intentionally dense?Delete
We operate in Highsec because the carebears wish it to be a safe zone, where the ordinary EVE rules of exposure to PvP 'shouldn't' apply. They'd not behave as they do if they were in Null or Low/WH. We simply wish to remind them that they are nowhere exempt from the PvP nature of the game.
There would be no point in bringing the Code to e.g. Nullsec, for it already applies there; proof of its validity for the game as a whole.
So to introduce players who do not want to PvP you PvP them? And this is to remind them that no where is safe? But even if they acknowledge that understanding your going to either kill them or force them to pay a fee to play in a manner they choose to with still the risk that they will get ganked? By other code Nazis no less.Delete
This really means that the permit is useless anyway and its just a scam to give them good vibes and give code more money.
Broken down its permit = scams
and ganking = reminder of PVP in the game
Well there was ganking already but now its an organized and published harassment organization as well now too.
Capt. Bumchum McMerryweather says:ReplyDelete
This is what I logged in to say. Fucking goons too scared to take anyone their own size on.
As an aside, I’d like to point out that this is how Nazi Germany started. That bellend Hitler though he was doing the right thing as well, but ultimately he was still an evil prick telling people how to do things. Next they’ll be eliminating people for being Minmatar.
I dunno, how does it feel to be acting like Nazis? Does it hurt you in RL or just the game? This is part of the Game right since you all feel its ok to continue your harassment into this forum.Delete
Stop cussing Jerry.Delete
That Rusell is a text book classic ag'er. He genuinely believes he has absolutely NO responsibility at all for his ship blow ups in a game marketed as a non consensual pvp online internet pretend spaceship blowing up game.ReplyDelete
Instead he totally thinks it's up to CCP to save him from himself. Totally fascinating!
Calm down JerryDelete
Indeed Anon 8:26. Only a bot-aspirant who existed in a time before The Code could hold such a hard line stance as Rusell. Modern AG consider ganking to be a virtual inevitability and rightly scoff at his outdated thinking. After all, for their entire existence we have been an unstoppable force.Delete
Modern AG are observed to repeat platitudes like "any ship will die if they want to kill it badly enough." Some say shocking things like "We're not here to stop ganks." Think about that one. The goalposts have been sufficiently shifted to allow them to declare success over a variety of mundane things, such as delaying a gank, increasing the cost of a gank, counter-ganking a gank support ship, or stealing some of the loot of a gank. Some consider even the successful arrival of *any* freighter at its destination to be a victory.
Times have certainly changed for the better.
Heil James, and the glory of his reich.Delete
James 315 is running a mob racketeering operation.ReplyDelete
To believe that any person has a right to dictate how a person plays a game, as long as their playing it within the boundaries of the games design, is arrogant to the highest. He, and others like him, need to realize that a loss in a video game can still be a emotionally charged even traumatic event for some people. In particular when it’s the loss of something that someone may have spent 100’s of hours attaining. I realize that this is probably a idea I’m going to get flamed for but “It’s just a videogame” isn’t an excuse for harassment, and harassing under the guise of role playing is still harassment.
Did you even read the Code, Anon 8:27? Its clearly stated that James 315 is saving the miners from their own bad behavior. If they don't want to lose their ships they need to change their attitudes AND their actions. The Code exists exactly to provide them with a path to a better and happier future. If they don't choose to obey, then there can be no surprise that the terrible events foretold AS A CONSEQUENCE come to fruition. Your beef with James is that he is truthful in telling miners that their natural, ISK-grubbing behavior is going to get them killed. There is no arrogance there. Just love. Tough love indeed, but still willing the good of the other, as other. James is the Savior of Highsec. The miners WILL be saved... or else.Delete
I love the way certain players of EVE can say that the game is defined by player actions while simultaneously claiming that other people are playing it wrong.Delete
I agree anon 8:56. AG's hypocrisy is disturbing. They need to read the Code and let it into their hearts.Delete
These highsec carebear shitters don't understand, in order for it to be racketeering (or extortion), it must by definition be 'illegal'.Delete
CCP, the governing power in EVE, says James business model is legal. So no "racketeering" you simple minded snowflakes.
If you can't seperate RL from game, you don't need to be playing EVE, and you are too stupid to breed.
This religious zealotry is the same as Nazi extremism.Delete
re: AG 8:27Delete
"To believe that any person has a right to dictate how a person plays a game, as long as their playing it within the boundaries of the games design, is arrogant to the highest."
Your logic is a double-edged sword. Our Agents operate within the boundaries of the game's design, but carebears and bot-aspirants frequently attempt to dictate our playstyle. The carebears have a long history of lobbying for changes to the boundaries, in the form of nerfs to highsec aggression, in an attempt to curtail our beloved playstyle.
The ultimate arrogance is the carebear belief in an entitlement to be "left alone" in a multiplayer PvP game.
So you acknowledge your desire to control their gameplay with an organized harassment campaign with targeted laws that single out players who do not PvP.Delete
So far as I can tell it’s nothing but small minded cruelty, Hurting people who are not hurting you, for no more reason than that it makes you feel good is on the same level as pulling the wings off insects. You should not need to understand WHY your actions hurt others. The fact that they DO should be enough to stop you doing it.ReplyDelete
It is impossible to hurt someone via a video game if that someone is in full possession of his/her faculties and behaviour. Maturity, both emotional and in reasoning, is the key.Delete
You can see this in action when idiots are persuaded to do something they don't wish to do. Instead of railing at their own stupidity, they bad-mouth the trigger.
So in EVE: 'I didn't want to go ballistic over losing my Retriever, but I couldn't help it'. Which is really, 'I'm going to lose my rag, even though I know I shouldn't over a bunch of pixels'. Again, they lost their retriever because of their own refusal to take preventive action, but of course, that's the ganker's fault...
It is up to you and other bedwetters to provide proof of any harm done.Delete
As its inconceivable that any rational sane human being would be harmed by s multiplayer game, we must in the mean time, ignore your whines.
HEHEHEHE Impossible to hurt someone in a video game, one of this nature hurts people monetarily as well I take it you haven't been informed of the movement by Anita Sarkeesian at the UN about online harassment, my friends the global gaming stage may be in for a change if they continue to build steam.Delete
Harassment does hurt people.Delete
The 2 Anons who took issue with me.Delete
I did not say that online harassment was not a thing nor that harassment is not hurtful to some people. What I did was to take a giant leap forwards. Let me help you.
If you're being harassed online (or anywhere else), what is the usual remedy? It is to limit the opportunities of the harasser.
Then you go elsewhere and encounter yet another such person. Did the solution work? No. It couldn't, for your vulnerability to this kind of behaviour has not been addressed.
The miner in his fail-fit retriever continues to be exploded, going from new ship to new ship but sporting the very same fittings which got him exploded the first time. Yet better fits are available to him, and other means of avoidance are not far away.
In the real world, people who find it difficult to deal with harassment and the ills of the world can only really learn to combat them by taking professional advice. That way, each time they come across those particular troubles they've a burned-in method of nullifying them.
The miner and the victim have this in common; they possess the means to thwart each and every attempt to affect them in the way you describe. If they choose not to avail themselves of those means, what is one to say of them?
Offering tea and sympathy is not enough; we are, each of us, responsible for seeking and applying the solutions to our problems.
Anita Sarkeesian would say find this a male patriarchal statement as she does tend to state that there is no reason for online harassment targeting particular individuals and when confronted with the mistakes of harassing those individuals they state that it is the victim to blame and not the harassers. Almost like saying the woman was raped because she was not dressed appropriately, it was her fault and not the rapist. Or the person committed suicide because he would not stay offline and avoid the harassment. It is a way of marginalizing the victim and laying blame upon the victim while relieving responsibility of the guilty.Delete
Ah, Anon, I'm way ahead of you, for I saw your argument/s coming a mile off.Delete
I have nowhere said that online harassment should go unpunished.
Let's be clear. The victim of a rl physical assault is not to blame in any way for that attack having happened. But he or she is almost always offered help in coping with the aftermath of such an event.
Online harassment is different. You cannot prevent it, but you can nullify the 'attack' while it is in progress, something which is impossible in the physical realm.
The mistake you're making is 1) Quoting experts without using your own common sense to judge whether what they're saying actually applies in this instance, and 2) Reading into my statements what you wish to be there, rather than what is actually present.
Both these errors can be avoided if you put down Ms Sarkeesian for a moment, and turn your attention inward, to Anon. The answers you seek are all there, if you take the time to ponder the matter.
So why are there Punishments for online bullying that lead to suicides? Why was Ms Sarkeesian and her partner allowed to address this very issue at the UN summit? Now I think you are just being misogynistic because your male and don't think Anita's comments about harassment in gaming are valid. Do you not read her work or watch any of her videos? Harassment and bullying in video games is real and is being addressed and Eve may not be on the block for review yet but it should be and your group will most likely be the very lynchpin that will be used as proof of harassment bullying and hate speech. I think you may need to talk with your founder about a restructure.Delete
Dumb-Anon, I know more about online bullying and harassment than do you.Delete
I've no need to read the comments or watch the videos of Ms Sarkeesian.
If you really are unable to grasp the subject in sum and in detail, you should probably refrain from engaging with me about it.
You sound like a 9th grader highlighting lines from a prescribed class text-book for a tardily submitted assignment. You are quite excitable; calm down.
Theres that condescending tone code Nazis are famous for, it always comes out.Delete
Calm down Jerry your assuming the anon is getting excited.Delete
Well Rob I think there may be some new reading in your near future.Delete
Is “attacking other players” the only reason to play EVE?ReplyDelete
No. Attacking other players with like-minded comrades and in support of an ideal - is the only reason to play EVE.Delete
There it is, code doesn't believe that other modes of play are correctDelete
Anon, you need to learn to distinguish between objective and subjective statements, and to recognise when you might be mistaking the one for the other.Delete
So going "lone wolf" isn't allowed?Delete
Its allowed they will just pop you pod you and then lecture you on how your a menace to the game.Delete
No, he meant for us. It's absolutely allowed, but in the context of membership of the New Order organisation.Delete
So one must interact with others in order to play?Delete
in a pvp centric intergalactic spaceship war massive MULTIplayer game, yeah.Delete
SO no one can actually just go it alone?Delete
If only it were that smart and purposeful; they’re just self important trolls coasting on tactics goonfleet pioneered years ago.ReplyDelete
Massive "Wall of Text" tears. Drip drip. LOL! XD XD XDReplyDelete
AG Civil War! Now that sounds AWESOME! My money is on Aldo.
hell yeah. best anon comment so far. ggDelete
I would love to see ag have to actually pvp ships that weren't already dying to concord. 15 "failcons" all trying to jam each other when none of them have damage capabilities. (also our fault...shooting ships that cant shoot back, even tho people fit them that way on purpose stupidly)
Tears? I think education would be good for them, but Nazis don't do well in schools. Pretty sure these aren't tears but rather people bringing their opinions to your propaganda machine since you guys wont post truth, well you only post your own truth.Delete
They sound like classic internet trolls; just trying to get a “funny” reaction on of people. They claim to be role-playing, but do and say things that require out of character knowledge. Reading things like this makes me glad I never got in to the game.ReplyDelete
Yet here you are, up to your neck in it. Wonderful!Delete
thanks for visiting Anon 8:37Delete
as far as role playing is concered, "player based organization saving the game for people that don't appreciate it" IS our role, and we accept it happily.
I remember a history lesson of another man who, with his armies, claimed to be saving the world, yeah they were the bad guys.Delete
EVE is only a game and their victims should get over it and then you have CODE complaining CCP did something they didn’t like and how unfair and unreasonable it is. Unusual even for assholes to be that openly hypocritical.ReplyDelete
CODE have created an arbitrary set of rules which they impose upon other plays and dismiss any complaints as silly because EVE is just a game. They then go on to complain that CCP imposed arbitrary rules on them, which they shouldn’t care about because by their own logic EVE is just a game.Delete
Of course by systematically harassing people in an ongonig fashion, they’re being total pricks.Delete
This is basically my thought. The problem with what they’re doing is that the way they run their attacks is basically exploiting the game’s rules in order to be a bunch of pricks with no possibility of consequences. The correct response from CCP is probably to tweak the game rules so that purchasing cheap ships with a lot of guns and then doing suicide runs with them is no longer so cost-efficient.ReplyDelete
I do wonder sometimes what would happen if CCP removed highsec entirely. I suspect the game would be reduced to a post apocalyptic wasteland populated solely by vicious trolls within a year.Delete
Hello Anon 8.44. The very basic nature of your thought encourages me to put to you the following proposition.Delete
CCP knows what ganking is and precisely how it is effected in Highsec. They make the rules. If the rules are being exploited, they have the absolute authority to change them. But they don't change them, do they?
And who on earth are you to tell CCP what their 'correct response' should be?
Ganking as undertaken by the New Order (not Miniluv) has never been 'cost-efficient'. Typical of a carebearing dunce to assume that expense is a factor in our operations. Hell, some of my comrades don't even bother to loot the gank-recipient's wreck. I certainly don't if it's a load of garbage.
I run at a loss. Every time I undock. So what? I'm enjoying myself.
I'm going to gloss over your 'no possibility of consequences' statement, for I don't wish to be too hard on you.
Arrogant twaddle, Anon; hogwash.
It was never cost efficient to suicide gank miners, freighters maybe on a good night, but never miners with the exception of the plextanked idiot here and there.Delete
You sir are a willfully ignorant shitter that has never ganked and don't know of what you sperg.
Would you consider becoming AN HERO?
Another wasted brain using actual intelligence and skewing it into a sad set of Nazi ideals. You have my pity you misguided man.Delete
That condescending tone, that "I am smarter than you" attitude, the lack of caring about other people just for the lols. The way they paint themselves as the righteous and everyone else as the unwashed filth that requires education to enjoy a game. Yup Code Nazi.Delete
I'm not the smartest person around. If someone expresses something which is wrong, I can correct them, and at the same time imply that the same answer was available to them if they took the trouble to look for it.Delete
It isn't an issue of intelligence, merely one of effort. Education is about effort, which is why some people who might otherwise profit from it, find it.... difficult.
So the easiest method to acquiring wealth in the game without max or even modest effort in the eve game would be mining?Delete
So players who want to grow a corporation without having to task themselves into more strenuous efforts like piracy or scamming are being punished for wanting to be on an easier money making adventure.
And what of those who would do the needed education to be viable in the market by building and creating? The effort in educating ones self to become savvy enough to profit without fighting would still be punished for being a pacifist.
So code is the reminder that one is entering into a PvP game by constantly killing the players?
If so I would like your agents to remember that they too must abide by the laws or be treated with just as much punishment as those who are not agents. That should include broadcasting their names on this site for their violations and a constant threat to their ships and efforts. as well a fine for each infraction. Let us not forget the constant name calling of carebear miner or what is this ag thing. If your corp is equal iin all things then your agents themselves must abide by their own laws and receive equal punishment.
we do receive equal punishment, like having to wade through garbage like your reply.Delete
Oh my I'm so sorry we invaded your safe space. Grow up JerryDelete
Calm down JerryDelete
LvG does not follow the rules of CODEDelete
I love the way certain players of EVE can say that the game is defined by player actions while simultaneously claiming that other people are playing it wrong.ReplyDelete
It's defined by player actions. Some of those actions are the wrong actions. Where's the problem, Anon?Delete
Forcing a differing method of gameplay upon people who choose to play it differently than you.Delete
The Law always works in this way, Anon.Delete
You may choose to take out your crack pipe for a quick gasp at the Police Federation Charity Ball, but the consequences would be entirely predictable.
SO you are admitting that you are making your own constraints in the game, so you are supporting a set of laws that do take aim at particular players? HmmmmDelete
Absolutely Anon! But those 'particular players' are not in any way obliged to obey us.Delete
Naturally, there are consequences for disobedience...
Tell me, do you read at all? I mean 'read and comprehend'?
As it would be in RL in this instance your punishment would be a constant until their are in effect crippled in the Eve universe until they are compliant? However I think there may be some confusion as to where this blog would fit, RL or Eve gaming? If it is within the gaming mindset then it is further punishment of those who violate your rules to mock and publicize their in game identities so others are aware of them and can hunt them down or be mindful of their passing by. however if this site is to be taken as a blog in RL outside of the gaming mindset then this is just harassment by itself. So is this site meant to be a part of your groups "metagaming" or is it indeed just a meeting grounds to demean and belittle those who do not follow your order within the eve gaming universe?Delete
Don't bother ANON1012 they don't understand other peoples points of view and will only talk to you as if your and infant or third grader. Its the code Nazi way.Delete
We don't read we just mash buttons on this fancy block thingy and try to match the funny symbols on the magic screen moron!Delete
Anon 10.12, you've posed some interesting stuff there. Check out the link to James' very first blog post, on 7th August 2012. There, he sets out the reasons for the blog and the basis for his hands-off approach to moderation of the comments section.Delete
I'm often amused by people's behaviour in this game. Perhaps 'bemused' is more accurate.
Many of them expect behaviour in a virtual world to imitate that of the 'real' world - but they are frustrated when their own responses to that behaviour are limited in a way which isn't present in that 'real' world.
You can see just how angry they get that they can't call the cops (CCP) or whack the offender in the gob (no substitute - losing a ship isn't losing a tooth).
And so, in order to play along with the letter and spirit of the game (as programmed by its designers), we exploit to the full the opportunities presented to us. If only the miners and carebears did the same.
You know, there are some gank-recipients who really do enter into the spirit of the thing, answering back, arguing, providing some kind of effective response, but the majority just vent and rage, for all the good that does.
I've recently finished a piece of work which at one point gives prominence to a frankly ghastly and obscene comment from someone who was ganked. That is, someone whose spaceship was destroyed in a video game about destroying spaceships. If I'm fortunate enough to have it find its way to the blog, you may want to have a look.
Anyone who is so lacking in self-control that he considers it appropriate to utter such a comment is certainly going to attract my attention. The name attached to the comment is that of an avatar. I feel no reluctance in broadcasting that name.
Let him be hunted, for all I care. Publish and be damned!
God this guy still using the carebear term for undesirable, he sounds intelligent but mouths naziDelete
Wouldn't the object of the game be to become successful in your endeavor, instead of just a spaceship game to blow up other spaceships, if people wanted that kind of game theres plenty of sidescrolling space games for blowing up spaceships. plenty of other space pilot games where the only point is to blow up spaceships. no other game has options for those who don't want to blow stuff up and have options. Are you just looking at the singular aspect of the game and focusing on that and ignoring the other aspects that other players are interested in?Delete
Unfortunately not all avatar names are just that, some people have made the mistake of associating real names into the game, foolish yes but leading to problematic issues with both the person whos name it is and the person who publishes the name.Delete
"Let him be hunted, for all I care. Publish and be damned!"Delete
Translation: Don't care what happens even if they kill themselves or get murdered. Theyre all just pixels to me.
Anon 12.53, that is the usual interpretation of the expression, yes.Delete
I wonder if this falls into the subject/object dichotomy?Delete
Anon 12.51, naming one's avatar is a matter of choice - within limits set out by the game folks. You make your bed, and you lie in it.Delete
I've no doubt that at some point I'll regret the Sasha Nemtsov/Rob Thompson thing; but it's a calculated risk, and if it gets me into trouble, then I've no one to blame but myself - and the guy who turns up on my doorstep with a meat cleaver, of course.
Death is always much closer than anyone of us thinks.
The object of this game seems to be to find something you like doing. Strangely enough, it appears to be the object of most games.Delete
SO you have no sympathy if someone was to be murdered due to something about them being published on this site?Delete
What is the object or people who play as code, to deny people doing what they enjoy? Because they enjoy it?Delete
I'm afraid I don't do drama, anon 2.12. Yet again you read into my words something from your own disordered mind.Delete
Are you quite alright? You seem oddly deranged. Beginning your comments with 'SO' does I'm afraid mark you out as singularly immature.
The dead neither require nor request sympathy; they have no use for it.
There it is, This is why eve online needs to be shut down, it creates this kind of dehumanization where people no longer see value in human life. Thank you I will be sending this to my colleagues along with other examples of how people become less feeling due to the nature of games of this nature.Delete
HAHAHAHAHA Shut down eve, that's rich. Keep trying troll baby.Delete
Back when I played, when CODE was starting out, I ended up as the subject of some of their website ridicule. While this didn’t bother me at first, it quickly began to as I began to receive threatening comments in game. These ranged from simple insults up to calls for me to kill myself and threats to dox and attack me in my home.ReplyDelete
These messages all came from agents, confirmed when I foolishly tried to ask in the or public channel for them to ease up a bit. While some agents did apologise and cease, others upped their game, attempting to post dodged info on the forums, info happily purged by the forum admins. The very worst was when one agent decided to tell players in Kino local I was a child rapist which shocked me to my core at the pettiness and sheer cruelty of the untrue comment.
I of course sent petitions given the severity but left the game in disgust when it was revealed the responsible players were still playing with no sign that they had even been warned.
CODE are not the heroes they claim to be..While some are nice when not ganking, the majority are in it to simply be cruel and heartless. I will not say my eve chars name as i do not wish for further threats against my person.
Well played anon. Except my AG character never had the same experience, nor anyone I new when I was in AG, nor anyone I know now, nor anyone ever.Delete
You just confirm the fact that AG is powerless and has to resort to lies and trolling.
Screenshots or it NEVER HAPPENED!Delete
Plus pretty sure you would have a case to ban someone if that did happen.
All that blah blah and not a single scrap of evidence to back any of it up?!? Try again AG pleb.Delete
PROOF: Your on the website of proof. This whole site is proof of organized harassment. All you guys do is publish names, make fun of them and whenever people post their opinions you cut the hell out of em with name calling, saying "shoot yourself" claiming you don't want em in the gene pool, that they must be mentally retarded or unstable, the constant use of the word miner that has been equated with Jew and the always lovable "tell me where the Catalyst touched you" which mocks rape and sexual assault victims. Heres YOUR PROOF! Right in front of you, whats wrong, cant see the forest cause of the tree's?Delete
Seriously, someone challenges your belief system in a fantasy game and you lose your shit like they just raped your mother with the family dog. Re-read your statements. "AG pleb", "Yea, proof of gtfo you lying p.o.s.Delete
You sound like a pansy, a neutered little shitter that will never be a real adult.
You are not needed, pod yourself until it takes."
For a group that claims they are the better people you sure act like what people call you Nazi fanatics. Someone even challenges your ideas and again its like you make fun of them becoming belligerent and incoherent and here you are doing the same shit. Geez accept that you act like what you condemn and accept that your in fact running a fascist Mafioso type regime here and move on. Hell ever notice how when you describe how people are those who cannot accept their uglier sides just rage away and then blame everyone around them. I'm glad I don't play this game and if I did I would never ever be part of this group, a bunch of players who cannot accept reality of who they are and hide it inside of a fantasy game only to bitch when someone calls them out. Inferiority complex maybe?
Miner, I'm gonna have to ask you to calm down.Delete
Jerry I'm gonna have to ask you to stop oinking.Delete
I truly believe that it’s a game that lets the “real” you show in your actions – it is, after all, just a game*, so it’s actions without consequence. That's why they chose to be Nazi's.ReplyDelete
That is the biggest AG lie of them all. Do you play a pirate game and not be a pirate. Or Assassin's Creed and not kill people, just poke prostitutes? Give me a break.Delete
Yup, another dipshit that cannot leave real life oitside the game, then blames normal players(adults) for playing correctly.Delete
How are these idiots still reproducing? Shouldn't the authorities have them put down, to keep from spreading thkse faulty genes?
You shitters are killing our species in RL, stop having kids please. Eat shit, shitters.
Wow this guy is actually talking genes and sterilization and genocide. He truly fills that Nazi role. Good job JerryDelete
Amazing how many people have accepted Nazism so long as its online.Delete
code is the reason I stopped playing, and Im not the only one.ReplyDelete
Good bye, can I haz your stuffs?Delete
you stopped playing because you refused to play the game as intended.
and its CODE. *
Good riddance. Do us all a favor and have a vasectomy tomorrow. I mean if CODE. was the reason you quit, you must be weak minded and you don't want to pass that on to any children....Delete
Amazing how these people still claim that someone plays a game incorrectly because its not played their way.Delete
Anon913 no I gave it to that loyal guy.Delete
AG fails, just as the HSM was getting a glimmer of hope. Stop trolling. Get in an Osprey or Griffin or a Talos and try to stop us. FIGHT BACK ALREADY!ReplyDelete
Talk is cheap. HTFU or GTFO of Eve. Seriously. Whats wrong with you people.
That right there, htfu you giant highsec carebear vaginae.Delete
More proof of harassment. Just feeble minded people who joined a Nazi cult.Delete
Fight back already. That's what you want. So no, we can deny you the fight as you deny careers.Delete
For all you New Order history buffs, today is the four year anniversary of my launching my war to destroy U.S.A.T.O . Hard to believe its been that long. Ah, the good ol' days.ReplyDelete
Have a cookie.Delete
And now on this day in history.Delete
-Adolf Hitler was born in Braunau am Inn, Austria–Hungary
James came later.
-Hermann Göring transferred control of the Gestapo secret police organization to Heinrich Himmler. ww2dbase
-Heinrich Himmler appointed Reinhard Heydrich the head of Gestapo in Prussia, Germany.
-Horst Böhme was promoted to the rank of SS-Sturmbannführer.
Code was officially created
Happy Anniversary! Your exploits have become part of our shared history, Bing.Delete
The comments section sure has been fun lately.ReplyDelete
Keep up the glorious work ye great gankers of this wonderful game!
Yeah, we've been getting some quality tears lately, don't know why.Delete
\o/ Praise James!
Tears. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.Delete
Hey Kip Wanker, why didn't you try to save your friend Kalynn?ReplyDelete
Were you too busy hiding?
Sorry threw out my back plowing your momDelete
And theres that Nazi sprit that has made code famousReplyDelete
Since the dawn of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun.....ReplyDelete
where the others before me have failed, I alone will succeed.
Excellent Simpsons reference, You sir win the thread.Delete
These aren't the droids you're looking for.Delete
Nah the Simpsons one was Just one of those well timed random pop ups. I think that's the winner.Delete
If this guy thinks this is part of RL then damn he must be a Nazi. seriously dude stop getting bent this isn't RL. Go outside get a good jog in or get a GF just don't get bent in an EVE online blog.ReplyDelete
i love this blog <3ReplyDelete
Pooor code Nazis, tell us how words hurt your sensitive feelings.ReplyDelete
For the sake of argument, let's say that Code is the Nazis of Eve, and the miners are the jews (which in my opinion is horribly racist against jews).ReplyDelete
The dozen HSM guys are the allied troops, then that would make the 16 semi-retired senior AG'rs and mods the retired generals in an old folks home.
What aboout the other 200 players in the AG channel, who are they then?
They would be the Germans that let the fascists take over Germany, cause if they all got into a griffin, and DID SOMETHING, High Sec would be totally different.
Jen and Sir Frankfeet must be in the National Guard then cause they only show up to High Sec for one weekend a month! XD XD XDDelete
Remember that this is a game and peoples motivations are much different in a gaming world, for those who would oppose the code they would need the ability to find them as a gank happens, the means to sustain their operations to replenish ships weapons and supplies, and the motivation to do so.Delete
Yes all these things exist within game and are readily available for them to oppose the code. But here's where anti-ganking has, and still is, failing. They have no Organization.
Even if they could figure a way to track and stop all ganks being done by the code had an unlimited resource of ships and so on, and whatever motivation be it code is like Nazis or terrorist or whatever, they simply have no organizational structure to make it work.
Code has organization means ability and motivation, even with infighting within the ranks the structure remains and it holds up even during times on said infighting. HSM and Anti-ganking just have no organization to be a working "Allied Force". It can get any traction to really be considered a start.
Yep, they are all National Guard. There motto is even "No Capes, No Roles, No hats, Just Badges" or something equally retarded.Delete
So they get the same amount of drama as us (cause they are human), Thomas en Chains gets all the admin work, and everybody fails!
There was a Anti-Ganker alliance once, but they moved to Null and promptly went AFK...
LOL I see what you did there! Yes nothing says 'we care about high sec' like moving to null.Delete
Whats wrong with national guard?Delete
Calm down JerryReplyDelete
Lol this comments section.ReplyDelete
Is there a TL:DR for the comments section?