Rusell > it is guilty a freighter who is ganked?Rusell was sharply criticized by Alexander Kaan, who blamed him for hauling expensive cargo without taking any precautions. But Rusell responded that there is no way to avoid being killed by determined gankers--a claim that called into question the purpose of Anti-Ganking.
Alexander Kaan > if you can take measures to prevent yourself from getting ganked and you didn't take these measures, you did a mistake, yes
Rusell > Alexander Kaan i dont trust you anymore
Rusell > thats is absolutely false
Rusell > no measures if they decide go for you you cannot do anything
Gate Gate Gate > Its a pvp game, you thinking flying a 9bil freighter isnt going to get other players to want to kill it? you filled it with your greed and lost it, completely your faultTo Rusell's great surprise, the younger generation of Anti-Gankers did not passively accept his wisdom on the subject. Instead, the old man was subjected to a blistering series of critiques from multiple Anti-Gankers.
Dorothy I > Rusell, the best thing you can do is become informed and inform other people about preventive action. As it is, you are only financing CODE with your losses and giving them content for their sad website.
Alexander Kaan > Rusell, we know how eve works, don't we? If I go out there and get ganked, that was my fault, unless it was due to some bug in the eve client
Rusell > Alexander Kaan you are insulting all the people who has helped me you are not good personRusell attempted to rally support by denouncing his chief critic as a Goon and a "not good person".
Alexander Kaan > yeah okay
Rusell > Alexander Kaan you are untrustfull and a goon
Rusell > i want to finish with your business
Alexander Kaan > Rusell, you still didn't learn how Eve works I seeRusell failed to discredit Alexander. In fact, the attacks only seemed to embolden him.
Alexander Kaan > if you lose a ship in Eve, it means you screwed up something
Gate Gate Gate > Rusell You're the type of person whod drive into the hood with a audi convertable, leave the hood off and the keys in the ignition then go have a nap in a nearby motel and wonder why your car got stolen
Rusell > eve works as you want but there is only common sense for the gankersNext, Rusell argued that by blaming the victim, Alexander was insulting all of the Anti-Gankers who try to interfere with ganks.
Rusell > Alexander Kaan do not mention my name anymore
Rusell > and do not insult the people with good willing
Alexander Kaan > I can still answer without mentioning your name, right? :P
Alexander Kaan > I missed the part where I insulted people
Alexander Kaan > I didn't even insult you, I told you you did not protect your hauling op with enough measuresOn another day, perhaps Rusell's strategy would have succeeded. Alexander might have been banned from the channel on suspicion of harboring Goon sympathies. But the loss of an 8.8 billion isk freighter had severely undermined Rusell's credibility.
Rusell > telling that a freighter is guilty because is ganked is absolutely unfair like you are
Rusell > you are unfair person
Alexander Kaan > well, that's the truth, though. I am always willing to tell people how to fix the error but there's no hiding from the fact that anyone losing a ship has screwed up something
Dorothy I > That's the point, Eve doesn't work as you want. You have to adapt for Eve and keep adapting depending on how other people adapt to it. Sure, there could be a different approach to ganking, but there isn't.Rusell couldn't believe what he was hearing. It was as if the Anti-Ganking channel had been taken over by a bunch of Code supporters.
Gate Gate Gate > whats the point of this game if your safe to do whatever you want, you want a single player game
Rusell > telling me that im guilty because they have decide to harass me all the weekend makes me guilty?
Rusell > if you are caught you are caught
Alexander Kaan > step1: don't get caughtWith a chorus of supporters backing him up, Alexander went on to tell Rusell all the things he'd done wrong. Now it was Rusell's turn to lose his patience:
Alexander Kaan > step2: don't haul too much collateral to make the gank worth it
Alexander Kaan > step3: try to avoid accepting trap courier contracts
Gate Gate Gate > step1 is more like dont fly a freighter with 8bil inside
Rusell > whereThe Anti-Ganking leader exploded at his critics, declaring that the gankers had total control of all the highsec trade routes. It was a stunning admission; the New Order's enemies sometimes question our relevance. Rusell had gone dangerously off-message.
Rusell > where do you want that i go
Rusell > they controll 24 hours per day perimeter urlen sivala uedama and niarja kaap and madirmilire
Rusell > you pass by if they want if not you wont pass by
Gate Gate Gate > then he should take the huge risk like a manIf Rusell hoped that his fellow Anti-Gankers would join him in complaining about the unfairness of EVE's game mechanics, his hopes were disappointed.
Alexander Kaan > I don't care where you go, my point is that I've lost my share of ships too. I once lost a Retriever to CODE because I was mining Ice while taking a dump away from computer and it was my goddamn fault ;)
Dorothy I > Archeage handled it differently. You can get sent to prison and then to trial, you can get expelled from your nation, you can't swing back with reputation as easily. But that isn't EVE, and this isn't the suggestion forum.
Alexander Kaan > ever heard about webbing alts?Desperate, Rusell tried to invoke the name of Jennifer en Marland, another celebrated Anti-Ganker. Jennifer also happened to be a channel moderator. If Alexander criticized her, he might be banned as a CODE. spy.
Alexander Kaan > or scouts, even
Alexander Kaan > or not hauling the courier with the same pilot you accept the contract from
Gate Gate Gate > hed rather be lazy and blame the game for him being stupid
Rusell > are you calling stupid to jennifer?
Rusell > jennifer was webbing me Alexander Kaan
Alexander Kaan > something clearly went wrong and I don't know what because I wasn't there. Doesn't change the fact that you could have taken measures to avoid the gank but you didn'tAlexander stepped around the trap set by Rusell and continued to press his attack.
Rusell > what measures
Rusell > its funny read you
Alexander Kaan > that's the problem, you aren't taking advice seriously
Rusell > you dont realize Alexander Kaan that you are playing a game for the goonsRusell only grew angrier. He now believed that Alexander was attempting to usurp his role as a leader of the Anti-Gankers. But Rusell wouldn't give up without a fight. If his opponents wanted an Anti-Ganking civil war, he was more than happy to give them one.
Rusell > advice me lets see you
Rusell > i hope dont see you in any freighter
Alexander Kaan > you threatening me about something?
To be continued...