Highsec Miner Grab Bag #32

You know what that whining sound means: Either your computer is overheating or it's time for another edition of the Highsec Miner Grab Bag!

Someone claiming to be Mine Teck left the following comment on an earlier post: "Mine Teck here. By recording TS whit out asking me. I think is is against the law, and then publish it. Again whit out asking." It sounds like Mine Teck has fallen in with a bad crowd. Could the resistance be creating its own space law firm?

I can't understand what iMiner v2 is going on about. Mining in highsec costs 10 million isk and it has been that way for a long time.

I may not be fluent in Russian yet, but I am getting a working knowledge of badly-translated Russian. The inclusion of the word "creature" is a dead giveaway.

I don't know if Qroni meant to give off such mixed signals. Did she tell Agent Ophidia Black that she could continue supporting herself?

One can only guess at the number of conversations that take place about me each day. All good "crap", I hope.

As we all know, I am a rock star. Authorized Pixel Distributor attempted to play one of Erotica 1's bonus games and wasn't very happy about the result. But at least she got to meet a celebrity.

Father. Supreme Protector. Saviour. Life-Breather.

Some people say that dreams are merely the byproduct of randomly-firing neurons. But Chinfist makes so much sense here that it couldn't possibly be the case.

People have crafted elaborate explanations for why I do what I do. Conspiracy theories and psychoanalyses abound. It's simple, really: Helping others makes a good man feel good.

What Agent Galaxy Pig accomplished here is called a "clean gank".

I don't know Agent Simon Lindsay's policy, but I'll pay just about any spam fee to reach out to the people I have bumped. It's like planting a seed; in the long run, it's worth it.

I offer this challenge to any married man who mines in highsec. Explain to your wife what the New Order charges for a mining fee, and what the consequences of not paying are. I'm confident that many of you will get some good sense talked into you.

In two days, Dustas lost two exhumers and two pods to the New Order. To save time, he CC'ed his tears to all of the responsible Agents in a single EVEmail. Now that's efficient!

The Center for Remedial Studies

Zeal for the Code is important. There's not much use for lukewarm followers of the Code. Those who lack commitment are apt to find "exceptions" where someone should not have to play by the rules.

Fey Ivory came to me with concerns about members of his corp being targeted despite being new to EVE.

Fey was so protective of his corpmates that it made me curious what corp he belonged to.

Bizarrely, Fey was actually a member of an NPC corp.

Fey claimed that new players lacked isk and could not afford mining permits. This is nonsense, because mining in highsec is a privilege, no matter how new a player is. There's always a way to make money. Are there no Level 1 missions? And the ore belts in rookie systems--are they still in operation?

In any case, lowsec, nullsec, and wormsec are available to all players, even if they have only just completed the tutorial. They may get killed, but that's part of the game, and rookie ships are free. I didn't buy Fey's assertion that new players are entitled to something better than a rookie ship. Why are they called "rookie" ships, then? And why would CCP go to all the trouble of redesigning them if new players are too good for them?

Still, Fey wanted his NPC corp to receive special treatment.

Regardless of corp, alliance, coalition, or faction, all who enter highsec agree to obey the Code.

I play fair; I play by the rules. There's no partiality or bias with me. Everyone must follow the law in highsec.

Nor is there any bias based on how old or new a player is. Ideally, every player should download a copy of the Code and read it before they log into the game for the first time. I'd like some New Order content to be added to the tutorial, but so far CCP has resisted doing this.

As months go by, I'm never not amazed by the excellent conduct and comportment of my Agents.

Fey Ivory appealed to the discredited philosophy that new players are more valuable than other players, and that we should take desperate action to attract and retain them--even at the cost of EVE's soul.

Avensys became alarmed by the conversation he witnessed in local. Everyone ignored him.

Once we understand that we shouldn't compromise the core of the game to accommodate random people on trial accounts, we must come to the conclusion that new players should assimilate into the culture of EVE, not the other way around.

In a dark corner of local, Avensys continued to be appalled.

People sometimes ask me how it feels to know that people are killing others in my name. Take a wild guess. It feels good.

This reminds me... If anyone has the ability to upload documents to a university server, please convert the Code into a PDF and post it up. Perhaps then people will recognize its scientific merit.

Spark2Universe Returns

Do you remember Spark2Universe? He was a Code violator who engaged in a lengthy conversation with Agent Selina Dyle by EVEmail after his Hulk was destroyed. Just prior to my post about him, Spark sent Selina one last parting shot:

Spark's views on the EULA are fascinating. Shooting spaceships in highsec is possible, but it's a violation of the EULA. Combat is an "exploit".

Spark also has an interesting view on real-world morality: Shooting Hulks in highsec is worse than actual terrorism, because at least terrorists don't ask for 10 million isk.

If the Nazis do have a Code, it probably doesn't compare to the New Halaima Code of Conduct. Did the Nazis illustrate their system of laws with examples from Goofus and Gallant? No, I didn't think so.

Perhaps the most disturbing thing that Spark2Universe said in his EVEmail is that he acts the exact same way in real life as he does in EVE.

MinerBumping posts deliver highsec miners from obscurity into infamy. After the post about Spark went live, someone told him about it. He took the opportunity to respond to my remarks.

It seemed as though the bounty placed on Spark really rankled him. You would be surprised how many carebears are offended when they get a "WANTED" sign plastered across their portrait.

In the original series of EVEmails, Spark had revealed that his real name was Rafael, and Agent Selina Dyle replied that her own real name was Sarah Palin. Apparently Spark didn't buy it.

Flexing his incipient space lawyer muscles, Spark recommended that I clarify that Selina Dyle is not, in fact, Sarah Palin. First of all, surely more than one person is named Sarah Palin, so claiming to have that name doesn't mean someone is impersonating the former governor of Alaska. Secondly, I have no way of knowing whether Selina's real name actually is Sarah Palin, or even whether Selina is indeed the former governor of Alaska. I can only report that Selina Dyle signed an EVEmail as "Sarah Palin", and I respect that.

One thing that makes me very proud of the New Order is that we always leave miners better than we found them. Spark2Universe still has a long way to go, but I am confident that significant progress has been made.

4chan Contemplates the New Order

4chan is one of the most well-known internet forums around. Perhaps because most of its users post anonymously, 4chan is no stranger to controversy. The board is sometimes associated with hackers, pedophiles, and bronies. However, every barrel has a few bad apples: Highsec carebears also post on 4chan. The 4chan Video Game Generals board recently engaged in a discussion about the New Order. Though threads are automatically deleted after a time, I managed to save the posts. Today, let's look upon the New Order through the eyes of 4chan.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)02:53 No.36072553
Replies: >>36072703 >>36072805 >>36076208

if any of you here are a new order fag... go die in a fire, seriously.

>Be an exploration and pve toon
>can fly a retriever for ice mining
>mine ice to help fuel POS

BUMPED
BUMPED AGAIN
BUMPTY BUMP...

Seriously... fuck you, I am not paying for a shitty 'permit' that is most likely just a scam for you one person in a one man corp to make an easy 10 mill... Go fucking die, you piece of shit...

Yes I am mad...

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)02:55 No.36072703
Replies: >>36073018 >>36074265

>>36072553
What's going on exactly? Someone is bumping you away from an icebelt while mining?

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)02:57 No.36072805

>>36072553
>Expecting New Order to actually know their own Code, let alone follow it

They're not supposed to bump or gank people just for mining, they're supposed to go after "bot aspirants". There's no point arguing with him, just go do something else for ten minutes until he gets bored.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:00 No.36073018
Replies: >>36073728 >>36073826

>>36072703
Yes... Claiming they are part of a new order and wanting 10m for a year license...

I mine like 3 hours a day, two days a month for POS.

http://www.minerbumping.com/

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:11 No.36073728
Replies: >>36074189

>>36073018
Ahahahaha oh fucking wow.

This guy has almost as big of an ego as I do, and I have a MASSIVE fucking ego.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:13 No.36073826
Replies: >>36074189 >>36074341

>>36073018
That seems kind of silly. I mean, they'd have to have quite a few members to cover even most of high sec, in addition to quite a bit of ISK to cover suicide ganks. And the only real return on such an investment are the occasional tears you'd get and lining nullsec miner's wallets by slightly driving up mineral prices.

Oh well, doesn't really affect me, since I rarely mine and when I do, wormholes are hostile enough anyway.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:18 No.36074189
Replies: >>36074263 >>36074467

>>36073728
Yea, him and all of the idiots that follow his shit are stupid. Its just a huge extortion racket AND PEOPLE PAY....

Seriously... its just a huge fuckin bunch of fags, they fly stabbers and just bump people out but its annoying.

>>36073826
I rarely mine other than the two days and this is two months in a row I have bunched into these fags at 2 different belts...

The annoying thing is nobody seems to be doing anything about it.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:19 No.36074263
Replies: >>36074518

>>36074189
Have you tried orbiting the asteroid whilst mining? I don't know if it would help.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:19 No.36074265
Replies: >>36074518

>>36072703
Set your ship orbit when mining.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:20 No.36074341
Replies: >>36075348

>>36073826
>Most of highsec
They roam. The vast majority of them are clustered in five or six systems at any one time.

>isk
Insurance means suicide ganks aren't as expensive as they sound. For each 2mill ship they get 800k back. Check the donation list on the left of the site and do the math.

>real return
He doesn't care. He's doing it for a laugh/to protest CCP's increasing casualisation of highsec, depending on who you ask. There are worse ways to get your giggles, I guess.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:22 No.36074467
Replies: >>36074558 >>36074671

>>36074189
They'll probably give up as their members get tired of it and/or the money dries up. Hulkageddon comes and goes in phases, there's never been a permanent version of it, no matter how much the jews in null would want one. At a certain point, the fun dries up and it all gets more costly to run it than it does just to soak up the losses on high sec miners.

If it lasts much longer than a month or so, I'd really suggest either buying the ice off the market in your case or joining a fleet if you're a bigger miner. EVE uni's got mining fleets open to the public, I'm pretty sure, and they're too large of target to easily be pushed away or suicide ganked.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:23 No.36074518

>>36074263
>>36074265

To be honest, the guy bumping me down is actually good at it... even orbiting his stabber is too quick to bump and recover for it to work.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:24 No.36074558

>>36074467
But people pay them so they just constantly get money...

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:25 No.36074671
Replies: >>36075476 >>36075564

>>36074467
Where are these fuckers stationed at?

Seriously, might go hire some Kamikazes to ruin the day for them.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:37 No.36075348
Replies: >>36075564 >>36075720

>>36074341
That's pretty funny. Why don't you just run missions and buy the shit required to fuel your POS?

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:39 No.36075476

>>36074671
Nevermind, found out they are doing in my Caldari homeland.

Lovely..

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:41 No.36075564
Replies: >>36075720

>>36074671
Read up on them more thoroughly. Hardly any of them are in the same corp/alliance, so wardecs don't work. They don't have a station.

More importantly, THAT'S WHAT THEY FUCKING WANT YOU TO DO. Their whole stated reason to exist is to try and force miners to do something other than hit F1 and go make a sandwich.

Bluntly, if you're silly enough to think that "hiring kamikazes" is a realistic threat, you're just going to end up on his blog.

>>36075348
That poster (Me) isn't the guy with the POS. I don't know why anyone would willingly ice mine.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:44 No.36075753
Replies: >>36075886

I suddenly feel the urge to mine and see I can piss these guys off. Even with a Skiff though, I'm willing to bet two cats in a .5 system could take it down before CONCORD showed up.

Sadly, without a couple of logis hanging around for support, I don't quite see a way to successfully mine without sheer volume of miners.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:46 No.36075886

>>36075753
They scan their targets with scouts beforehand to see who has the weakest tank. They target Mackinaws and Retrievers primarily.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:48 No.36076034
Replies: >>36076109 >>36076120 >>36076209

>>36075720
Sorry for my newbish ignorance but POS?

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:51 No.36076156

>>36076120
>>36076109
Ahh I see, thank you for answering my retarded question.

Well, maybe they'll piss off the wrong people.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:52 No.36076208
Replies: >>36076318 >>36076767
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>>36072553
>>otherstalkingaboutthisshit
It's an alliance, around 6 months old, quite a few members.
They even got a corp dedicated to creating suicide ganking ships.
Don't count on them running out anytime soon.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:54 No.36076318
Replies: >>36076365 >>36076424 >>36076568

>>36076208
All i see in that little desc is that the owner is a giant douchebag, king of douchebags probably.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)03:55 No.36076365

>>36076318
No, he is the leader of the league of douchbags, they are like the Illuminati putting kings into power and such.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:02 No.36076767
Replies: >>36076840 >>36076945 >>36077063 >>36077505

>>36076208
I think aggressive bumping is against the rules somewhat. I remember getting warned by a GM when I bumped a mission runner out of alignment until he popped before they implemented target switching in missions. If I could get in trouble for it over that, I don't see why it can't be extended to consistent bumping to prevent mining.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:03 No.36076840
Replies: >>36076945 >>36076981

>>36076767
I think I heard one of the morons say something about a rule clarification that meant that bumping was made totally legal by CCP.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:05 No.36076945

>>36076767
>>36076840
They are probably only letting it happen because they know it would take way too much to try to enforce it.

I doubt they are okay with it. Hopefully they are looking into other ways to stop it.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:06 No.36076981

>>36076840
It might be if you're doing it just to prevent someone from mining, but not if you're going to cause the destruction of their ship without getting CONCORDed. I mean, I know it's fine to bump someone's ship out of alignment in low/null sec so you can score a kill on something slow to align, so it's probably more on context.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:07 No.36077063
Replies: >>36077505

>>36076767
Someone just posted this in local as if they were in this thread...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199310

>Bumping explained
>[linked above]
>bits considered harrassment and is reportable

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:16 No.36077505

>>36076767
What you got your wrist slapped for was avoiding concord, not the bumping itself.

>>36077063
It's only reportable if it's enough to show consistent harassment. Same as suicide ganking, or anything else that would be considered "griefing" in other MMOs.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2188751#post2188751

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:22 No.36077896
Replies: >>36077930

Currently sitting in Poinen, so far no sign of any life in the area.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:22 No.36077901

I need a good suicide gank fit.

I am going to make a toon to kill these new order fags as I encounter them. Money is not an issue but a fit under 20m will be nice as I can roll out loads of them to different systems ready.

Anonymous 05/20/13(Mon)04:23 No.36077930

>>36077896
That was my home system until the new order fags shown up.. I then left. (This was a week ago)

Now they are in my new system...

Rage of the Russian Renegade, Part 4

Previously, on MinerBumping... Renegade miner Mirion Renegade and I engaged in a pitched battle over whether or not he needed to follow the Code before exercising his highsec mining privileges. Everything was fine until Mirion escalated the conflict by petitioning me.

Mirion posted a link in local to a screenshot he uploaded. He wasn't joking about the petition.

Mirion's attempt to get the GMs involved was surely the nuclear option. To his surprise, it didn't win him any friends.

Because the screenshot was an image, I couldn't just drag the text of his petition into Google Translate. I so rarely get to see the contents of carebears' petitions against me; I asked Mirion to copy and paste it into an EVEmail.

Mirion did me a solid and sent over the text. (I'm guessing his petition had a different subject line, though.) The following is the Google Translate version of Mirion's petition. For ease of reading, I have split it into paragraphs and added some punctuation--luxuries the Russian GMs did not get to enjoy.

Good day, I'll start with the main Bumpers Pi...

Daras, prikopalis to me one of the pilots of James 315 accuses me of using bots, and throws a belt. I never used a bot how much I tried to persuade him not, a beautiful game and I please enjoy it. So happened that I had no money left for anything, that's I stand on it and undocking me again bumping bitch, I really want to spit on the game and punish him in the face.

I'm mining, in chat rooms and talk to me about what it is that the rules. I rubs him explain that I have no money - threw a screenshot showing the status of my balance - it is ignored. That is, to earn the money I need sell last ship - to give to him and start again from the beginning? Fuck yes to him in the nose!

I ask forgiveness for mats - emotions... Here at least you tell me why - I - do not botovod must obey and do not adhere to the rules and that the rules of the agreement are then left really! He did not ask me not requested in touch with me I'm stuck in a heap of other chats, why do I have to answer him in the local? So let him die his mother...

Thanks for the confession.

I wasn't really expecting Mirion to assist me by sending the text of the petition, so I thanked him. My politeness landed on deaf ears.

I thank you even talking about?! moron I thee shit watering and I thank you - that if the war - bitch - do not wait for mercy

If the Russian GMs ever answered the petition, Mirion didn't tell me. It was back to business as usual, so the bumping continued.

Mirion was disappointed to learn that his petition was not the game-changer he hoped for.

I'm busy - go unloaded

so fuck off bitch are you from me and teach Russian - creature!

With no assistance from his GM allies, we were drifting dangerously toward a stalemate.

It's easy for two people from two different cultures to have entirely different perspectives. If there was any chance of our reaching an agreement, we would need to put our biases aside and accept the authority of the Code.

This was evidently the last straw. After all this time, Mirion finally set me negative.

Whenever I enforce the Code, there are always looky-loos in local. Xessej started to backseat-space-lawyer Mirion by offering new ways that I might be in violation of the EULA.

What followed was a heated debate about the legality of the New Order and its Code. The CCP issued a public statement on this matter months ago, but it remains one of the hottest topics in highsec.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be petitioned without result. At least, the first few hundred times it happens.

The fact is, the New Order is legal as can be. Mirion and I would need to fight this out to the bitter end.

Suddenly, I received a convo invitation. Since when was Mirion in a talking mood? Had he received word that his petition was rejected? Regardless of its impetus, I would honour my commitment to diplomacy by accepting the invitation.

To be continued...