Beef Punchmeat > Really Vulkyn?Although KarmaFleet policy doesn't allow recruitment officers to give a definitive explanation for why an application gets rejected, Beef was convinced that it was all about his disobedience to the Code.
Vulkyn > Eh?
Beef Punchmeat > You denied my application. I have a feeling its because I dont agree with how the CODE is set up
Vulkyn > We don't comment on why we won't invite people to join us. I know that sucks.... but if we told people why, people would game the system.
Davian Thule Pirkibo > key question howeverSo much for Beef's fresh start in nullsec. The fact of the matter is, if you fail to conduct yourself in an appropriate manner in New Order territory, your history is going to follow you no matter where you go.
Davian Thule Pirkibo > is was it closed or rejected
Beef Punchmeat > Rejected
Davian Thule Pirkibo > sorry mate
Beef Punchmeat > By Vulkyn, whom I disagree with about CODE. Seems like Karmafleet is not as welcoming as it saysBeef seethed. He'd always assumed that the New Order's ideas about proper EVE gameplay were irrelevant outside of highsec. In reality, many nullsec players recognize a simple truth: If you act like a Goofus in highsec, you're probably going to act like a Goofus in nullsec.
Vulkyn > Nearly 7000 members of KF would disagre....
Hydrium Eternite > We wish you the best of luck and hope that you will find a home that you enjoy.
Beef Punchmeat > I'm sure I will.
Robby Kasparic > I am now currious to know his thoughts on codeIt's a classic miner cliché to claim that only CCP can tell you what to do in EVE. Carebears always use that as an excuse not to buy a mining permit. It's nonsense. Needless to say, nullsec alliances exercise even tighter control over their people than our Agents do!
Robby Kasparic > as Im sure they are well thought out
Hydrium Eternite > I used to hate them lol I had them set at -10 until like a week ago when I looked at my contacts and noticed I had done that when I had just started.
Beef Punchmeat > Well, I dont belive anyone but CCP can dictate how I chose to play this game
Phoenix Flames > That's not technically accurate. You join a corporation/alliance, they'll have rules you have to obey if you want to stay.
Beef Punchmeat > CODE enfocement 'agents' dont seem to care about some folks who have a permit. As well as the fact that they try to tell people what they should put in local chat. That smacks of despotism which I disagree withIt's interesting to note that everyone else in the KarmaFleet channel had a much more mature attitude than Beef did. He stuck out like a sore thumb. It's no wonder he was rejected.
Vegan Spyder > Phoenix couldn't have said it better about corps
Beef Punchmeat > Exactly, I will not pay them isk for what I see is a matter of opinion
Robby Kasparic > And you dont have to
Robby Kasparic > But as with all interactions with others, it will have the potential for consiquences
Beef Punchmeat > Right, however Vulkyn disagrees with me, which is fine, but I noticed he just rejected my application. I belive this is because of our disagreement. I find this to be odd in a corp which claims to welcome all.Beef left the channel in a huff. But his grievances against KarmaFleet and the mighty CODE. alliance only grew. He needed another outlet to voice his discontent. He found one.
Robby Kasparic > I have known Vulkin for some time, and I do not belive for an instant that he would reject someone wihtout good reason
Vulkyn > Our public rules are: dont be an asshole.(but we do have som esecret things we reject people for... whihch we can't talk about)
Beef went to Reddit and unloaded on both KarmaFleet and CODE., complaining that his attitude about the Code had gotten him blacklisted by a supposedly neutral, welcoming corp.
Normally, the EVE subreddit would be receptive to criticism of Goons and (especially) CODE. Yet Beef's tendency to rub people the wrong way asserted itself even here.
Beef isn't one to give up, though. He hopped back and forth through the replies and defended himself against the attacks. Although Beef was persistent, he showed a lack of willingness to learn. His attitudes about the Code remained uninformed:
Instead of learning about and embracing the Code, he dug in his heels. However, the fact remained that no matter how persistent he was, Beef was not going to be able to join KarmaFleet.
Eventually, Beef realized that his only option was to join a corp that accepts all applicants. Though Pandemic Horde Inc. wasn't his first choice, it did give him access to nullsec. Now, at last, he could escape from his anti-Code history.
Or could he?
Even deep within Pandemic Horde space, the consequences of harboring bot-aspirant beliefs caught up with him. While out in his ratting Raven, he was killed by a four-man gang who had no apparent ties to the New Order. Then one of the four dropped a link to Part 1 of this MinerBumping post in local. Enraged, Beef posted another Reddit thread about this latest insult.
Minutes later--as this story was going to press, in fact--I was notified of Beef's new outburst on Reddit.
Even now, Beef is still fighting the bad fight. In the interest of fairness, here is the rest of Beef's "statement":
I will never back down in game, or in real life. When I see people acting like they are somehow better than other for some arbitrary reason, I'll say something. I will call people out when they act like they are better than anyone else.What are we to make of all this? It's simple, really. If you're a carebear who has ambitions of ever leaving highsec, obey the Code now. It's the only way you can have a future anywhere in EVE. If you have a history of resistance, biomass your character and start over--or beg for the forgiveness that only the New Order can provide.
Other people can stay quiet. Other people can insult me, they can destroy digital assets, but they can never take away my ability to speak. I don't know if I am even in the majority when it comes to CODE. I don't know that my position is even all that popular. What I do know is that I will never keep quiet when I see people try to enforce unfair, and unjust arbitrary rules because they can impose a negative status.
Anyone in real life can break into my home, kill me, and take my stuff. I could defend myself, but there is no guarantee I would win. In the event that this happens to me, I will still rail against it. I will call it what it is, crime. The only authority I believe has the power to decide what happens to my life is the United States Government. I recognize the authority of this government, and its subordinate governments of the states. I recognize this authority not because they have weapons, but because I get a personal choice in who represents me in this government.
The people who enforce CODE with violence do not have my support, nor do they have my silence! I will not accept the authority of a self imposed, self elected group over anyone outside of that group. Any miner who want's to support CODE, with the public display of a permit purchased with ISK they made, I have no issue with you. You have made a choice, and as long as it was of your own free will, I will never call you wrong. I may disagree with CODE, but I will never disagree with a choice anyone has made.
For the people hunting me, for the people who want to blow up my ship and my pod out of the sky, I say fine. I understand and accept that this may be how you have fun, how you blow off steam. Although I can't understand what would drive a person to generate fun for themselves by causing distress in others. I cannot wrap my head around why some people would want others to suffer, and revel in what is really speculative suffering as they can never really know what is going on in the head of the other player. They laugh and joke about inflicting misfortune on others and it simply makes me wonder.
What happened to the people who act like this? Did mom not give them enough snuggles? Did dad never tell them he loved them? Maybe they were bullied in school, and the only way they can keep their shattered mind intact is to visit an approximation of the suffering they receive onto others.
If this is the case, I welcome this out pouring. Pour your hate into me if that is the only way you can stop yourself from acting out in real life. If hunting me saves some other exumer from being harassed, bring it on. Camp the stationed I am docked at, wreck every ship I launch into the void. I can take it, let me be the hatesink so that others may play in peace. I welcome the storm pro CODE forces will supposedly bring upon me. I have survived much much worse than anything you can do to me.
So yes! As a reward dear reader for trudging through that massive block of text I will say it clear. I hereby affirm and declare to this site and to all of New Eden, Fuck CODE. Fuck it, and the rifter it came in on! I will stand still in Times Square and allow the entire population of Earth to kick me square in the dick before I give any CODE enforcement group one red cent!
Vulkyn is wrong about all KF members supporting Jamey and CHODE. I have an alt in KF and I despise Jamey and his slaves.ReplyDelete
Then you're just an alt and not a real KF member.Delete
Proof or gtfo shitter.
I'm sure you have no problem posting that alts name and sticking your thoughts in the character profile then?Delete
He can't post his KF alt here, he has none.Delete
Plus, he's a chicken shitter.
ALL of KF supports CODE..
You sound like that badass highsec miner who gets ganked and says hes only mining in highsec on his alt because his main is making 150mil ticks ratting in a nyx.Delete
Miner in Goon's clothing.Delete
But hey, he kept silent (or at least anon) about it - one of the smartest things a miner ever did. Besides of course buying a permit.
And the gang/alt mentality to bully rather than prove shit starts again. Like children they fail to accept differing opinions.Delete
There will many non beliebers and even more doubters, but the truth will prevail in the end. The Code is bigger than any one person or group. When the Code evolves it will devour those who do not evolve with it. Rejoice true Agents of Code. Salvation comes from Kubinen. A new dawn is upon us my brothers and sisters. I am Omega.ReplyDelete
You better belibe it!Delete
Code has 31 members each one does a great number of alts, that's it. They are not elite they just multibox and bot their asses off.Delete
Confirmed. I am an alt of James 315, loyalanon, and the MittaniDelete
And your a liar. The Mittani is above begging for handouts and popping defenseless carebears. Try harder failure.Delete
Methinks Mr Beef needs to get outside a bit more.....
Just like the code children.Delete
Hilarious. It's become clear why Beef Punchmeat left EVE all those years ago. A pacifist miner is against the nature of the game.ReplyDelete
Much like your code is against the nature of any game, sorry but if you need a game that states you can never lose then you need to return to preschool.Delete
So... add that punchmeat idiot to the list...ReplyDelete
Right added to the code, done.Delete
"I cannot wrap my head around why some people would want others to suffer" - does this highsec miner not understand that EVE is a game about destroying spaceships, and that the Code forces you to behave in a way that prevents you from losing your spaceship?ReplyDelete
He does not want to understand:Delete
"Nope, I do not find [PvP] fun. Someone worked hard to get that ship, and they have done nothing to me.... This argument is like trying to defend a person who loves boxing who goes out and punches children, because they just love punching people who cannot punch back."
What do you expect from carebears? Even if they can double isk by doing one jump to low they won't do that, such is their attitude. (and so happens that following CODE prepares one for going to low sec)Delete
Prove that code prepares someone for low sec, the fact is you cant prove anything, your own code is made so you cannot embrace gaming.Delete
Sheesh! Reading all that just makes me want to join CODE all the more.ReplyDelete
Nothing can stop an Aspiring Agent from getting what he wants - he's just one step away from acquiring the highest social status there is in New Eden!Delete
Sell a mining permit today!
Well join up and join the 31 morons.Delete
Aaaaand he's already out of the Horde.ReplyDelete
Willing to pay top ISK for his flouncing out chatlogs
He's still showing in PH to me?Delete
Have we not introduced this idiot to the Official EVE Forums yet?Delete
Hey beefyboi, post tearz here plox!
Nah your tears are plenty.Delete
That fellow sure does write long comments.ReplyDelete
That fellow suffers from mental diarrhea disorder. His reasoning is so much liquid shit.Delete
MDD can be life altering. Such an ugly, disfiguring, debilitating disease.
Probably due to his superior education, you need to get out of grade school one day. Or do you still need to play games that don't let you lose. Poor baby.Delete
wow rejected from a corp that takes anyone. antiganking is truly failing hard right nowReplyDelete
Joined a corp that cant accept loss, poor wolf bitch. Is that dead guy still bugging you by the way, you know he killed himself because you suck so badly.Delete
I came for the tears, and stayed for the comment sperg. Well done.ReplyDelete
Your such a whore.Delete
The last time i heard that comeback was when I was in 3rd gradeDelete
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