Some interesting things have happened lately, and I'll do my best to very briefly touch on a few of them. I am, of course, referring to the (most recent) controversy surrounding Erotica 1, Jita's most well-known isk-doubler.
Some weeks ago, I reported on a Bonus Round conducted... Hold on, wrong screenshot.
Bear with me, folks. I'm doing this on the fly, and some glitches are to be expected. Some weeks ago, I reported on a Bonus Round conducted by Erotica 1 and her escrow agents. The participant was a fellow named sohkar. Unfortunately, sohkar didn't win the Bonus Round, and he didn't take it particularly well. We all have our bad days.
Erotica 1's Bonus Rounds, conducted in TeamSpeak and the in-game "Erotica 1's Glory Hole" channel, have long been familiar to the EVE community, including CCP. sohkar's Bonus Round was publicized on EVE-O back in February, to mixed reaction. What wasn't widely known at the time is that at some point, CSM member Ripard Teg began to use his privileged access to CCP to lobby them to permaban Erotica 1. Judging by the fact that Erotica 1 wasn't banned, we can safely assume CCP had decided that no rules were broken.
Ripard then took his case to the public in a blog post. Right away it became clear that Ripard meant business:
"I'm not usually the type to call out individual EVE players on this blog. This time I'm going to. Erotica 1 is an EVE player. He is also a despicable, vile, evil human being....The crux of Ripard's argument is that because the Bonus Round took place over the course of hours, rather than the shorter, morally-pure "singing ransoms" that frequently go on in EVE, Erotica 1 was guilty of committing torture. Literally.
I assure you, Dear Reader, that there is evil in this world."
"This alternating of torturers allows one to deliver a masterstroke. The victim finally asks in exasperation how many songs the victim he have to sing. The torturer casually says 'We usually do ten or twenty songs.'Ripard then listed some comparisons between the Bonus Round and more conventional forms of torture. As an example, sleep deprivation was involved because the Bonus Round stretched well over an hour and sohkar had to stay up past his bedtime to continue participating. Ripard concluded his post with another call for Erotica 1 to be permabanned, along with punishments for the escrow agents.
Needless to say, at this point the victim snaps and goes into a profanity-laden rant to the very great amusement of the torturers. I do not use the word torture lightly. Look at any list of psychological torture methods you like. You will invariably find on that list..."
For the first time, a Jita isk-doubler had ignored the United Nations' Declaration on Human Rights. Since Erotica 1 is a member of CODEdot and there were many wardecs active, Erotica 1 was arguably guilty of violating the Geneva Convention. As you might expect, Ripard's readers were shocked and horrified to learn of the war criminal in their midst. Faded "Kony 2012" posters were stripped from the walls and replaced with pictures of the new enemy.
EveNews24 and the EVE subreddit and Massively.com carried the story. In a break with precedent, EVE-O mods actually allowed something interesting to be discussed in the General Discussions subforum rather than locking it or banishing it to another subforum.
The thread exploded with replies, mostly from the same people arguing about whether the Bonus Round was torture, and what authorities might get involved if CCP failed to ban Erotica 1.
There were varying reactions, of course. Erotica 1 forwarded me some of the EVEmail she received. Some supported her:
Others less so:
Tenla Amarr drew up a poster for those who felt Erotica 1 had not run afoul of international law:
Conspicuously absent from the hubbub was the voice of sohkar himself. How did he feel about all of this? In his blog post, Ripard Teg said the following:
"I encourage everyone reading this to listen to this bonus round in part or in full. I have listened to it in full. I owed it to the victim to understand his story. He lived through it."But no one asked the man himself. So sohkar contacted Erotica 1 in-game, and joined her on TeamSpeak to discuss the matter. Afterward, sohkar reported to the EVE-O thread:
"i just got off the TS with erotica 1 and i did this to try to put a end to all this stuff people are putting out there and get how i felt about everything. I think all you people need to drop it. the "bonus room" happened over a month ago. Ask yourself why is it now just coming out now? if it wasnt for the article written about it no one would know or care. I know some of you said its not about erotica 1 or myself and you maybe right but what is it about then that people got scam it happens all the time even in RL. I got scammed and made an fool of myself in the process he did not ask me to do anything that would personalize me to people i dont know other then by my voice. Scamming and bonus rooms are not the problem until it makes someone hurt then selfs or others til then you may not agree with mine bumping or scamming then dont do it. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it a crime"During the TeamSpeak conference, sohkar explained that as a result of Ripard Teg's blog post and all of the attention it received, he was kicked out of his corporation. As for Erotica 1, she vowed to conduct one final Bonus Round...
Sure enough, when I checked my wallet, I saw that I had received payment in full for 39,000 shares of New Order stock.
Erotica 1 was already the largest New Order shareholder, with 22 billion worth of stock in her name. You can never keep a good doubler down. She more than doubled her holdings with an additional purchase of 39 billion worth of stock, sending us over the 278 billion mark. That's over a quarter-trillion isk! Erotica 1 earns a Triple-Tredecuple Supreme Protector's Tip of the Hat™ for sending us past the 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, and 278 billion marks.
That's a lot of gank Catalysts to reimburse! But we'll do it. We're the New Order. We always do what needs to be done.
Nevertheless, nothing moves CCP like controversy. I can think of few times when a protest from the playerbase didn't result in them acting. Writing in the private subforum of the MinerBumping Forum, Erotica 1 informed us that she has been banned from EVE. The ban, as far as I can tell from what Erotica 1 wrote, is permanent.
Some might call upon me to disown Erotica 1, to distance myself from her. If all I knew of Erotica 1 were the charges of torture and war crimes, or if Erotica 1's Glory Hole conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way. But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the woman. The isk-doubler I met more than a year ago helped introduce me to the Jita scammer community. She spoke eloquently about the scammers' obligations to the Code, to care for the faithful and to withhold isk from the unfaithful.
In an earlier post, Hydra-Headed Lies, Part 1, I described my first experience in the Glory Hole:
"Aside from when I was a scammer, I have always made my isk the old-fashioned way, through good, honest, hard work. Everything I own in EVE has been earned by the sweat of my brow. EVE is a diverse place, and the New Order reflects that diversity. Not everyone comes from my simple, down-home background. Agent Erotica 1 occasionally invites me to take a trip into her glamorous, fast-paced world of isk doubling... Although the rapid-fire contracts weren't the kind of work I was used to, I was determined to prove that I was capable of handling whatever job the sophisticated, urbane Jita set could... Hydra complied with the terms of the deal by giving me everything he owned, even the shirt off his back. So far, so good. Hydra appeared to have total confidence in Erotica. Maybe these Jita folk weren't so bad after all. But my brief trip into the world of high finance was about to take a dark and unexpected turn."That has been my experience with Erotica 1 and her escrow agents. Like other predominantly scammer channels across highsec, the Glory Hole embodies the highsec community in its entirety: The air-traffic controllers and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other TeamSpeak channels run by those who engage in emergent gameplay, Erotica 1's was full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. It was full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. It contained in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love, and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the highsec experience.
And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Erotica 1. As imperfect as she may be, she has been like family to me. She gave me isk, helped increase the numbers of CODEdot, and made people read the Code aloud in funny accents. Not once in my conversations with her have I heard her talk about any group of EVE players in derogatory terms, or treat carebears with whom she interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. She contains within her the contradictions--the good and the bad--of the community that she has served diligently for so long.
I can no more disown Erotica 1 than I can disown the scammer community. I can no more disown her than I can my carebear grandmother--a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world--but a woman who once confessed that she purchased a Michi's Excavation Augmentor, and who on more than one occasion uttered Miner Bingo quotes that made me cringe.
These people are a part of me. And they are a part of highsec, this place that I love.
We have a choice in this community. We can accept a politics that breeds divison, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle the issue of Bonus Rounds and Erotica 1's ban as a spectacle. We can call each other torturers, or accuse each other of war-crimes, and we can hope some news agency picks up the story and talks about cyber-bullying.
We can do that.
But if we do, I can tell you that in the next news cycle, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change. Or, at this moment, we can come together and say, "Not this time. This is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger." And as so many generations of new players have come to realize over the course of the year and a half since the Code was written in Halaima, that is where the perfection begins.
Well that's disappointing.ReplyDelete
Thank you Erotica 1, thank you James 315.ReplyDelete
well good job CCP, this banning pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for me ever reactivating my subscription.ReplyDelete
Pretty sure they won't miss one more sadistic sociopath.Delete
If you want to find a sociopath gank a miner and see how much they care about the rules of society in comparison to their own avariceDelete
Again you miss the fact that Ripard pulled it from the grave one month after it happened.Delete
And sohkar himself pitched in to try to calm things down.
Of course once someone has fixated on something negative, the human negative bias kicks in and once the first accusation of 'sadism' 'torture' and 'bullying' flies everyone will join the bandwagon.
Yes! You should be in internet space jail for your wanton destruction of pixels and your scamming of valuable e-gold! Someone call the internet space police and a qualified space lawyer, right now!Delete
INTAKI SPACE POLICE, THIS IS SPACE RAID, EJECT FROM YOUR SHIP AND SHOW US YOUR PLEXDelete
I am sorry normally I can get where you are coming from, but not this time. The 'bonus room' has always been about humiliating others. It's always been sickening. This time just more so.ReplyDelete
Yes... Because Ero was holding the WILLING participants there at gun point. Would you prefer we refer to them as hostages from here on out??Delete
Nobody made them enter the "bonus room" except themselves. Nobody chose to do anything 'humiliating' except those themselves. I fail to see what Erotica 1 has done. All this 'controversy' comes from people humiliating and making fools of themselves in front of the whole wide world. But the tumblr crowd had to came along, and suddenly we have not an obvious scammer but a horrible monster worse than Hitler.Delete
Good night, sweet Prince.ReplyDelete
The problem is one of due process. If you read the forum announcement and subsequent comments you will see that CCP is saying 1) there is a line and 2) no we won't say where it is but we haven't moved it. Following that they refuse to say more. Malcanis at least came out and said that the CSM agreed with CCP's decision to do whatever they have done to Erotica 1.ReplyDelete
Of course the problem with that is that it was one of the CSM members who raised the lynch mob, long after the event in question took place, and apparently after Ripard's first attempt to get CCP to act was rebuffed. So, the CSM can't be trusted on this, at least in part.
It looks to me like one individual used his position on the CSM to attempt to get another player banned because he did not like what that player had done. Failing to do so without publicity he used his position as an Eve blogger to incite anger and create a demand that CCP act.
CCP gave in to this and then to cover themselves from criticism hid behind a meaningless announcement and a moratorium on commenting on the specifics of the situation.
I must admit to being shocked at the actions of CCP.Delete
I saw their announcement first and thought "Ah, so they won't have banned Ero, then".Delete
I must say, I'm genuinely shocked. It's very worrying that the witch hunt was successful. Looks like we need to be more worried who gets on the CSM :-s
Or the problem was that CCP was so lax on enforcing their own rules that it took a CSM to raise a lynch mob before they'd go and do their jobs.Delete
The Mittani's lynch mob during the summer of rage saved us from gold ammo. Sometimes the only way to get CCP to do the right thing is to grab the pitchforks.
So only one sociopath left James 315, in due time!!!!!!!!!!!!!Delete
My second tear... of joy. Contrary to popular belief, I am not James 315. I don't even know who he is. He could be an alt of the Mittani, or an alt of a random friend, or as he states... simply his own character. A small handful of people in this game know how to contact me outside of EVE. James, someday I would love to sit down with you to enjoy a nice cup of tea and conversation.ReplyDelete
ok what ever James 315Delete
inbefore erotica 2 jita isk doubling businessReplyDelete
This is saddening news. New Eden will be much worse without Erotica 1 and her bonus room; if anything, this is solid proof of the undue influence that the game's lowest common denominator wields over CCP.ReplyDelete
Erotica 1 may be an asshole, but she has not broken any rules or regulations. It seems like our rights end where the social justice warriors' feelings begin; this populist mob mentality of influencing CCP decisions has got to stop immediately. It is grossly unfair, and opens up innumerable cans of worms with regards to the activities that EVE Online is known for.
You know something is very wrong when the victim has had the only rational thing to say about this whole affair: a moral wrong does not necessarily equate to a legal wrong. I hope Erotica 1 has transferred her assets over to another account and continues to play host to the wonderful bonus room.
Where did you get the silly idea that you have any rights in a video game? That game being a privately owned service, CCP being the service provider and rightly concerned about the reputation of their brand?Delete
Feel entitled much?
Not only is your logic flawed but your moral compass is fundamentally FUBAR.
So there is a "line" and its been crossed. There was a gray area, but clearly Erotica 1 went right over to the black area. And yet no one can explain what this line or black area is.ReplyDelete
I have to say though, for "harassment", I would have expected there to be at least a touch of "non-consensual" in it.
So we're all on notice. There is a line that can't be crossed. They don't say what that line is. But if you cross it you get the banhammer. So hyper competitive video game has ill defined rules. Yeah, that makes complete sense.
"I have to say though, for "harassment", I would have expected there to be at least a touch of "non-consensual" in it."Delete
This. The whole mention of harassment made me think CCP had decided in Erotica's favour considering no harassment had taken place. I'm very worried about the precedent that has been set and what it means for the game when "being mean" is a sufficient reason to ban a player.
if you are too dumb to use block or leave a ts chat ccp will protect you and reimburse all your losses cuz we need to water down the sandbox and lower the community's IQ. that way we can push for a new incarna expansion. all praise Hilmar.Delete
Thats right there is a line and James 315 and all of the new order are starting to cross it in one way or another and thats a Fact!!!!!!!!!!Delete
tl;dr she gave you a lot of ISK and some sort of strange spiritual massage so it's all good? Whatever m8 I say good riddance. There's a line and if you don't know where it is you've got problems that need sorting, preferably far away from my Eve.ReplyDelete
New Eden has lost one if it's brightest stars today, and it now shines ever so dimmer for it. For Erotica1, I have pored a class of quafe into the space she once so dominated.ReplyDelete
Barf!!...Someone take his poetic license away from him.Delete
For those of you who werent in last nights teamspeak meeting with shokar I'd like to take some time to explain WHY we do what we do in the bonus round. We we are running a scam its better buisness if we can get the scammed person to say its wasnt Us that scammed Him, rather that HE lost on his own accord. if we take his assets and run the word goes out that its a scam more and more but if we get more people who admit they didnt show full faith or that they left early it adds more legitamacy to the scam, it drives more people to thinking that just maybe they can win and that though it what causes them to pull themselves into the scam.ReplyDelete
We never insulted or degraded people and after the scam was over it was always over. Take last night for instance, Shokar came back into comms with us KNOWING that we could start cracking jokes at any time, not knowing if we were going to be nice or try to scam more out of him, and after he came in and started talking with us everyone in the room had a downright positive and fun time with him, I personally thanked him for coming and allowing me the opprotunity to hear about the scam from the other side and look forward to possibly talking with him more in the future.
What happened here today puts all scamming at risk today the bonus room is the absolute extreme and "must be punished" but when its gone what is next? cut the far ends off the ruler and you make new extremes. Maybe tomorrow its taunting in local after a kill, day after that singing ransoms, then what? Margin scams? market manipulation? .01 ISKing your competition? When you try to eliminate the outliers of any free society you create new outliers and eventually you eliminate everyone. When this happens what will eve become?
Are you ready to face that uncertainty?
Yes. Yes I am.Delete
Your post smacks of justification after the fact. Stop deflecting and acknowledge the whole thing was disgusting and taken too far. Take ownership of the fact that you treated someone horribly for your own amusement and apologize. If you'd done that and accepted the community's collective judgement of appropriateness instead of making excuses you might have saved yourself a permaban.
give me ONE SINGLE QUOTE of when Erotica or any other Escrow agent was rude or disrepectful in any way because Shokar himself cant even give us oneDelete
"...CSM member Ripard Teg began to use his privileged access to CCP to lobby them to permaban Erotica 1..."ReplyDelete
That's a fairly serious charge. Do you have any proof?
Sorry this took a while. There is a metric crap-ton of comments on this all over the net. This is one of the comments that led me to my idea that his blog was after he had brought up the subject to CCP.Delete
JesterMarch 25, 2014 at 2:57 PM
As you correctly state, any reply to this topic that CCP has made to me would be covered by the NDA. I look forward to CCP's public response in due course.
Not exactly a smoking gun I know. But logical, to me anyway. It indicates that he got a private response, wrote his blog post and now awaits CCPs public response.
A real shame, it was always fun when Ero was around.ReplyDelete
A glorious development! Seeing all those crybabies' tears is fantastic! Much love to CCP for this decision!ReplyDelete
Isk has a very real, out of game monetary value. Erotica 1 is guilty of torture, and extortion. I wish they would prosecute outside of game as well as the perma banReplyDelete
if you have EVER blown up someone else's ship then you fall under the same prosecution that you wish upon erotica because you took isk value away form someoneDelete
"Isk has a very real, out of game monetary value."Delete
No - it doesn't.
As an aside, you could potentially make an argument that it has value to an *individual person* by virtue of the time he invested in acquiring the ISK. I would counter with: sunk cost fallacy.
"if you have EVER blown up someone else's ship then you fall under the same prosecution that you wish upon erotica because you took isk value away form someone"Delete
Except that I have done it IN GAME. E1 used outside of eve coms, and forced him to do torturous things outside of the game itself, where plex is $20, and the marketed isk has real value OUTSIDE OF GAME, where this happened.
You're all being fooled.ReplyDelete
"Bear with me, folks. I'm doing this on the fly, and some glitches are to be expected."
The biggest glitch being that Erotica 1 has not been permabanned.
Genuine Question: What's been banned, the character/account or the player/ISP?ReplyDelete
hahahahahahahahahahahaha the bit where erotica treats all players of the bonus with dignity and respect that part killed me. If he treated them with such dignity and respect then this would not have happened at all now would it? Now eve is a much better place without him and now it also reminds people watch how you treat people even in a "sandbox" Just because you have played longer know the in's and out's a little bit better doesn't mean you should think your any better then any one else nor should you treat people that way. Ero you got what you deserved....well not really you need to be taken out to street and be beaten within a inch of your life but w/e take what we can get.ReplyDelete
Someone explain to me how what Erotica 1 did is worse than what this fellow, coward though he may be, is endorsing?Delete
Did someone say it was? It's clear that (serious) threats should be brought to the police AND ccp (so they can release personal details to the authorities and take appropriate action). How does this change what Erotica 1 did?Delete
I always find it curious how the Pirates of eve are always cast in a evil and terrible light of abuse and degradation when you never hear a Pirate say "you got what you deserved....well not really you need to be taken out to street and be beaten within a inch of your life" YOU are the people that sling threats and condone real life violenceDelete
A line has indeed been crossed; but not by Erotica 1.ReplyDelete
It's my belief that Erotica 1, James 315 and other creators of exciting and challenging content have long been the target of bigots. But without CCP endorsement, their attempts to eliminate our beloved gameplay were always just so much air.
It is one of the reasons that our Leader tries to make us aware of the drive to nerf Highsec and replace it with a theme-park.
Don't doubt for one moment that the baleful blogger Ripard Teg, flush with his recent victory, will emerge with more plans to put before the Board.
This is not a time for bailing though. Quite the opposite. Unite, Brothers and Sisters in the Code!
I'm sure that, when James 315 has digested this horrible news, he will return to us with something to gladden our hearts.
I'm not Eve-rich. I got fed up with missioning and ratting long ago. I fly solo and provide my own gear. Nevertheless, though I'm unable to match Erotica 1's tremendous generosity, I just sent some Isk to buy shares. For the War-Chest of the New Order.
Time to bind.
Is there not someone out there who can top my investment in the New Order? My longterm goal was to scam 10 trillion isk in a ponzi (run by notorious Erotica 1 no less) then tithe no less than 10% to James for shares. I wanted my volluntary amount to actually exceed Phazer Inc, Eve Bank, etc.ReplyDelete
I cannot do that now. But there is something you can all do. Spread the word on the forums, in local chats, in corp and alliance chats. Spread the word that the sandbox can still be protected.
Top my total investment in shares. Furthermore, knock me off the top 10 shareholders list.
Do this by raising as much isk as humanly possible to buy shares in the New Order.
Ask scammers to spam for us for at least one day instead of for themselves.
Ask everyone you know who loves the sandbox, whether they love me or hate me, ask them to make a statement.
Everyone who supported me, I thank you. Please donate 10% of your wealth (isk and assets) by buying shares.
Evemail everyone in the threadnaught. Ask for their support, even if only a single share they can afford.
Flood James' wallet with isk as a sign of faith, true faith in the sandbox.
Join CODEdot alliance with your corps and your alts.
Light fire to highsec so that no bot aspirant may mine unless he supports the Code and buys a mining permit.
This is all I ask. Make my sacrafice worth it and use today as a call to arms against all those who oppose the New Order.
All hail James 315, saviour of highsec!
The fact that you're gone is proof that there is an EVE God, and it's spelled CCP.Delete
EVE Jesus is Ripard.
I say DON'T knock your name off the list. Quite the opposite i will give 10% of my liquid isk and the money i have made selling permits and selling the miner loot from the gankings to buy shares in your name. I say we keep you name on top as a symbol that the sandbox will not be crushed underfoot.Delete
Highsec will burn. Every Catalyst will be named Ripard Teg so that the carebears will know why.Delete
As humble as your request is, I too will buy shares in your name as well! Our faith in the CODE, James, and you will not be withered!Delete
you can ban Erotica1 but two more will take his place.Delete
the sandbox is protected from ero lmfao. but all the racist and RL threat makers are welcomeDelete
DEATH TO THE CODE AND JAMES 315Delete
I just sent 5,000,000 ISK to Ripard Teg with a THANK YOU note attached for his GOOD WORK in finishing off Erotica1. JOIN ME, and send some ISK his way. Next: We take down James 315 and everyone who's name was associated with this perversion of an enterprise....Delete
Banned but can send Money?ReplyDelete
This is the only place that states that guy is banned?
i would love if the ban is real, but its close to april 1.
Well, sad news if they're true. Erotica 1 excelled in exposing people's stupidity, greed and indecisiveness. Unfortunately these days it's not "politically correct behavior".ReplyDelete
There's not much I can do about it, besides doubling my efforts in the Code enforcement.
Time for "donate the timecode to New Order" campaign I sayReplyDelete
Anyone who can draw that much FLAK from Goons, sack-less CCP Devs, and the larger carebear community - must be doing something terribly......right.ReplyDelete
I only know Erotica 1 from forum posts and occasional TS contact - but the awesome there cannot be hidden.
For some reason absolute majority of anti-New Order replies are full of profanities, offensive language and generally unpleasant sayings. Same is applicable to conversations I had in local chats. Why is it so?
WOOHOO GIMME TEARSDelete
Neither tears nor profanities. Only determination and relentless enforcement.Delete
That's the way of an Agent.
WOOHOO GIMME SEMI-PHILOSOPHIC COMMENTSDelete
WOOHOO FEED MEDelete
That's not "semi-philosophic" comment, it's the philosophy of Agent expressed in most concise way. Another thing I noticed - rebels always start with expletives, but usually end on a totally different tone. I guess just chatting with an Agent is an educating experience for them.Delete
WOOHOO I FEAST ON YOUR COMMENTS WITHOUT READINGDelete
Another thing -- the endurance of an Agent easily surpasses that of a rebel. Even after rebel switches from "creative mode" to "randomly generated responses mode".Delete
WOOHOO GIMME MOREDelete
WOOHOO I RESPONED REALLY FAST THEREDelete
You started with cursing James and rapidly deteriorated to flooding... Is there a better way of showing the real nature of a bot hiding behind human face?Delete
WOOHOO I OMNOMNOM ON YOUR HATEDelete
WOOHOO FEED ME MORE MORE MOREDelete
Why all caps?Delete
for a dedicated agent, you're awful shy to show your name there, anonymous...Delete
WOOHOO MAKE ME STRONGER GIVE ME COMMENTSDelete
WOOHOO DONT GO AWAY NOWDelete
Well, who knows who CCP will be banning next... They remind me of oppressive regimes more and more. Have relaxed rules, punish selectively.
WoOhoO COuGH CoUGH COUgH NOoOoDelete
WOOHOO I HOPE THEY BAN ME SO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ME TOODelete
This site is not very active, I get way more talk going on with LoL, cya guys, oh and btw whoever gives a shit about who erotica is, and what she did, im in it for the drama. WOHOO IM OUTDelete
OR AM I ?!?1!Delete
No seriously, am I?Delete
Realtalk, I'm not sure if I am out or not.Delete
This is getting awkward, can you guys point me to the door maybe?Delete
Guess I'll just hang around then, all alone in the comments section, talking to myself like a nerd...Delete
Made a nice long reply string tho, just sad that nobody will get anything from it.Delete
Ok, so what you wanna do, play chess? Thats cool, we can do that, can I be white (no racial)? Cool, youre a real bro, ok i will now move my knight. Oh thats a really nice move, its gonna take me some time to react to that... let me think for a while, a long while, in fact, i might not even return from this one.
Might not even, ever.
Chinga tu puta madre fuck weaselsDelete
James, thank you for providing a second perspective on the situation. Richard clearly feels very strongly about what happened (sokhar, apparently less so, now that he's calmed down he seems to just want people to leave him alone about it.) I'll be honest that I'm not sure what to think about everything that's happened - both parties are raising valid points. At the end of the day, I'm glad I was able to hear from both sides about what happened. Thank you for that.ReplyDelete
Victory achieved, CCP can be sure to get all my money for years to come if they keep this up :DDelete
That ban was deserved for the sole reason that Erotica 1 states at the beginning of the video that the recording is happening on Teamspeak because they don't want to violate EULA and TOS. Intentionally avoiding breaking the rules in game by breaking them out of game. I wouldn't have banned him if he didn't involve EvE assets in there. His own nail in his own coffin.ReplyDelete
no its being held on teamspeak so it can be recorded its being recorded in case there are any eula violations there will be a solid piece of evidence we also ask if the client wants a copy of the recording for himself to have as evidence of what happened during their bonus roomDelete
Another naiil in the coffin for the sandbox.ReplyDelete
enjoy whats left while it lasts, carebear online it has become
Rip Erotica1, you will be missed.
Blue you know who :)
I've read through the entire backlog of minerbumping and have followed it daily since, am as carebear as it is possible to be, and yet vigorously support James 315 in my heart in and out of game. By banning Erotica 1, it is true that CCP has removed one of the more notorious evils of their universe -- to the universe's extreme detriment.ReplyDelete
A game like EVE, if it is to be what it ought to be, requires the capability for individuals to choose to be like Erotica 1, or James 315, a code-compliant, or non-compliant miner, etc. These choices comprise the most unique element of the game and are the entire reason why EVE has been able to carve the niche it has. By choosing to use external force to end the situation rather than let the universe be what it is, CCP has irrevocably damaged the ability of players to choose to be evil, thus cheapening the decisions of those who choose to be better, or different, or unique.
This is all before we breach the conversation that sohkar himself has suffered as a result of their actions, that he was improved as an EVE Player and as a human being by the externalities of Erotica 1's crimes against him, and that he himself fucking called for an end to it. What Erotica 1 and her supporters did was not torture, but even if it were, sokhar is now less likely to be duped IRL into situations far more dangerous because of lessons Erotica 1 taught him.
CCP violated the most important rule of their own universe, and for those of you here now celebrating, I'm sure you'll enjoy the new universe of bot-aspirancy that will rise in its wake, for a time. Then you'll realize you're just filling bars. Erotica 1 didn't fill bars - she committed horrible acts against her fellow capsuleer, and made an eternal name for herself. There is no one else like Erotica 1, and there is no one else like James 315.
Glory and honor to the New Order, Highsec is worth fighting for, New Eden is worth fighting for, fly safe Erotica 1, you sadistic fuck. I will so miss stories of the Bonus Room.
That last paragraph is going in my bioDelete
I love you man!Delete
I have searched long and hard on the internet for a quality comment, and at last my search is ended. <3 SaraDelete
Amen to that sister...amen.Delete
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I was pretty critical on this blog back in November because of the information about aspects of the bonus room posted to the EvE-O forum.ReplyDelete
However, even with my view that there should never be a risk of people being identified in RL for playing a game, I want to throw my support behind Erotica 1.
She may never be back and this is in my view, a complete and total over reaction by CCP, however if they banned her, I hope they have thrown the ban hammer on several characters for their vile reaction in the forum.
Erotica 1 does not deserve to be banned and the game has been weakened because of it.
Sad news indeed, if it's true. I will answer the call to arms and redouble my efforts. No more warnings in local either. You shall be avenged Erotica 1. Death to all illegals and rebels!ReplyDelete
Wow, just wow. I thought I played a game that was different from all the others. But I now realize that political correctness goes a loooooong way. Shame on you CCP.ReplyDelete
Political Correctness - a cudgel wielded by sheltered nerds with no real problems in their lives. There's a meme for that, I believe. First World Problems.Delete
I agree with Alana. I can't believe people getting so worked up over this, but i think you nailed it. Self-righteous social crusaders love to make themselves feel like good people, like they are making a difference. That way they can go on ignoring the events of the real world, and still feel like they are contributing.Delete
EVE is akin to a free society (sandbox), and of course you cannot have a free society without laws (EULA), as society itself would cease to function. Unfortunately being free to do as you please, within the confines of the laws, exposes the darker sides of human nature. The moralists would love to regulate this, but unless coercion is applied you will never change human nature. This is the price of a free society.
so when you talk politely to a player and they throw back: death threats, racist and other derogatory remarks, you are guilty of torture and banned from eve.ReplyDelete
good work ccp.
Don't know what bonus room you listened to, but this "polite" talk you refer to was intended to create a feeling of helplessness to establish control over the mark. With the right factors involved, perspective is altered and you can turn this "polite" Talk into a weapon to manipulate the person into doing what you want him to do.Delete
Whether she knows it or not, Erotica 1 wields an effective psychological firearm that can actually harm a person if used carelessly. Some people don't know they have this kind of ability so naivety makes it even more of a dangerous thing.
LoL. Sounds like Erotica 1 got his shit bumped in by CCP. Good riddance. Don't let the airlock hit ya on the way out.ReplyDelete
SAY IT IS NOT SOReplyDelete
THAT EROTICA 1 HATH FALLEN
TO CAREBEAR IRE
Erotica 1 - isk doubler of my heart.
Good point Alana. E1 getting banned was 100% due to carebear ire and nothing to do with the majority of people (including CCP) finding his actions inhumane and morally reprehensible.Delete
I wasn't even making a point. You missed.Delete
E1 gone? ... Good. Life goes on. Cry all you want. Griefer tears... best tears.ReplyDelete
This isn't good enough. As someone that neither supported nor condemned Erotica 1, I have stood by that if Ero is to be banned just for the sake of satisfying the bloodlust of her detractors, and sohkar's abusing remarks, however emotional, be ignored, and Ripard Teg's lying blog post also be ignored, then CCP will be setting a precedent, opening a door they cannot close.ReplyDelete
I was doxed by in-game players, who sent to my private email a passive-aggressive threat which included naming family members. Information they couldn't have gotten on me without digging very deeply. Unfortunately, it all occurred outside of the EVE client. CCP refused to take action, stating explicitly in a petition exchange with them that they can't use stuff from outside the game client to form judgements.
Well apparently, now they can, so if what's good for one is good for all, then my faith is them has fallen dramatically. I have screen shot all in game mails of the incident, and can provide API to provide them to show that the timing and context matches that when the conversation was continued in my personal email. Evidence is available. Evidence CCP chose to ignore for the sake of a policy that apparently no longer applies. Or maybe it only applies selectively.
I can provide all that evidence freely now, including the petitions, with no fear of being banned for discussion petitions since my sub will now end without renewal. I will be contacting a few people to see if they are interested in that evidence. I will not put names of the perpetrators here without that evidence, and you can of course request it for the sake of journalism by writing to me at email@example.com. I will, of course, renew my sub again should CCP actually return to consistent policy management.
This is, for the record, not a protest. I'm not announcing this because I'm 'qq'ing'. Apparently, there's a doxer running around the game that is a threat to YOUR privacy IRL, and I can prove it. I'm leaving because CCP apparently doesn't want to deal with him. You should be leaving so you don't have to.
I will keep my in-game identity anonymous for now, but once my sub ends, I'll be happy to reveal it.
They may be trying to steal your identity. Delete all social media accounts and update all security questions and such at your financial institution. Format your PC as well. You either put yourself out there to be doxxed or some hacker has managed to deliver malicious software to your computer.Delete
Well why do you think CCP doesn't allow discussion of their rulings?Delete
Because it would make them accountable.
"to be banned just for the sake of satisfying the bloodlust of her detractors."Delete
So your whole post is predicated on a fallacy. 'nuff said.
Maybe you'll learn what leaving a social media trail in the internet means from all of your troubles. You don't want info about you to be found? Don't provide it in the first place.Delete
It's not about whether it can be found or not, it's about the effort people put in to look for it. Unlike sohkar, I didn't give anything away willingly.Delete
TOILET HAS BEEN FLUSHED, AND WE ARE WATCHING THE SPIRAL :))ReplyDelete
For the consideration of all EVE players.ReplyDelete
It highlights the intolerable inconsistency of CCP's decision here, and the choice that I've made as a result, the only choice I can live with.
CODE tears = Best tears ever!!ReplyDelete
mmmmmmmmmmm moar tears..................................ReplyDelete
And nothing of value was lostReplyDelete
Good riddance. Hope you'll be living off the FEMA-truck for years to come.ReplyDelete
He should have bought a scamming-permit from CCP first. CCP is just teaching him how to play the game.ReplyDelete
guys, take a deep breath, take a step back and calm downReplyDelete
HAVE FAITH! THE BONUS ROUND MUST GO ON!
I am but one of few or many that despise CODEdot, James 315, and his supporters in game. But in truth I will admit this is a travesty and one I am inclined to read into more to include any blogs or forums pieces I may find. EvE has one major difference compared to other games out there.....the meta-game is more important than the game itself. For CCP to interfere in that is a gross negligence and should really not be tolerated by the player base. Because as some proponents have stated already here in their comments it opens a door that most likely will never be closed again. It inspires fear, and drives people to play differently or away from the game itself and there by changing into a place not recognized as what it once was or was to become. Someone should find ways to explain to CCP how if nullsec has its stories then let us whom live in highsec also have them. I can not say I shall miss Erotica, but I will miss not having the chance to meet her on the battlefield as would be proper. This truly was not the way to handle things. I remain anonymous for the protection of those that follow me and my fellow leaders in combating CODEdot, whom at least do it in the game and not in the realm of game company politics. My sincere regrets on your loss James, for its a loss to all of EvE and what we can accomplish together as players that is difficult if not impossible in others...the chance to create our own Story and Plot Lines.ReplyDelete
You guys may try to justify and spin this any which way you deem necessary to try to remain some sort of dignity. But truth is: CCP has spoken. They do not want people like this in the game. This pleases me.ReplyDelete
Good riddance, now I hope they go after Erotica 1's companions and ISK.
Don't worry guys, this all just an April Fool's Joke. Everything will be oooookay. :))ReplyDelete
Letting my subscription finish up then I'm out.ReplyDelete
Thanks for the good times, CCP. I refuse to continue playing knowing that at any time I could be banned for something not even vaguely covered in your EULA.
March 28, 2014, the day EVE online jumped the shark.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Btw, could you send me your stuff? Seeing you won't need it anymore.Delete
Quite the tantrum you're throwing over a game. Very similar to when my 4 year old son gets annoyed when he's tired and loses at snap too many times.
One less CODE enforcer?..... lolReplyDelete
Ahhhh. The joys of listening to miner bumper tears.ReplyDelete
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=330221&find=unread Going to join this guys crusade for a few kills as a reult of this.ReplyDelete
Hope it was just 1 account Erotica. Total overreaction.
Nobody cares about one isk doubler, he crossed a line. Don't know why so many ppl are butthurt about it, nobody's going to miss an isk doubler. NOBODY.ReplyDelete
Erotica 1 reborn as Erotica 2!!!!!!!ReplyDelete
Best response EVER from CCP Eterne.
I lol'd when I saw the portrait.Delete
I support your actions on miners James, but Erotica was doing things that were going far beyond the line.ReplyDelete
It's time to swallow your pride and stop defending the man.
Subscription discontinued, games are not fun when your not allowed to know the rules...ReplyDelete
Exactly why the bonus round was so much fun right?Delete
Anon: 852 am: Are you subscribed to the bonus round? You can't unsubscribe to something you never subbed to.Delete
What about the fact that Erotica demanded naked pictures of people, and even got kicked out of CFC for being a creepy psycho? Or are we just glancing over that for propaganda reasons?ReplyDelete
Old history, anonymous old chum. What about that c*** Ripard Treg? Erotica 1 is most certainly a dick (sorry babe) and I don't share her sense of humour but Twig is so out of order with the borderline libellous things said about the payer behind Ero and also using his position on the CSM to fight his cause, completely ignorant of the irony of his claims about out-of-game harassment. He probably approves of capital punishment too, and completely fails to see the irony of that as well. Ripard Smeg is a f***ing twat who's full of hate and should be permabanned.Delete
Dissaproves Ripard asking for Erotica permaban, despite open sadism behaviour.Delete
Asks for Ripart permaban in return just because he's a twat.
Not internet logic. minerbumping logic - it's a whole new level.Delete
Also love this:
"He probably approves of capital punishment too"
If that's the best GORSE has got, he lost before he was born.
GORSE: Interesting that you bring up capital punishment. I do in fact support the execution of criminals. I look at the death penalty as returning a defective product to the manufacturer.Delete
All this crying. There is no right or wrong decision. CCP made *a* decision and they don't need to justify it to anyone. Sure go ahead and voice your displeasure by quitting eve and never subscribing again - there will always be new players to fill the void. In the end ccp can do what they want irregardless of how much bitching and moaning happens.ReplyDelete
You're 100% right, CCP can make any decision they want, even if means reducing their IP to a theme park.Delete
When that happens don't complain about the awful game mechanics that human interaction has hidden and glossed over these last ten years
"When that happens.."Delete
The way you effortlessly make stuff up and present it as the only inevitable outcome is quite impressive. Unfortunately it just shows you haven't got any fact backing you up.
Given your belief that EvE is going to turn to shit, shouldn't you just unsub? No point investing more of your time into it surely...
does someone know erotica in rl?ReplyDelete
he is clearly the victim here. cruel cruel ccp.
so i would love to donate some of my emergency tissues to this poor man on whom live has been so cruel lately.
i also would donate a rubber doll. tho it can not shed real tears, it will make wimmering sounds when beaten.
maby this could help as a substitute for some time.
But will your doll sing 'barbie girl' and recite the speeches of Martin Luther King?
All 8 of Ero1 accounts should be perma banned.ReplyDelete
.. Nice Ero was able to shuffle billions in liquid assets from one to another acct pre lock out. But the bestvthing of all is that minerbumping and the jetlinerbumping series is what resurrected this whole issue - good job Jimmy.
Tears tears tears for their fallen code brother/sister...ReplyDelete
From the code:
"- Prejudice toward minorities is not permitted. For the sake of clarity, this cannot apply to all groups claiming minority status, but only discrete and insular minorities, which are defined as suicide gankers, Goons, and others who oppose highsec mining."
Depending on how you interpret this rules all of E1's actions were AGAINST the code.
funny how that works isn't it
Well, as i thought:ReplyDelete
Erotica 1 is NOT BANNED (yet)
You can still put Bounty on him!
they sould ban the player. not the account.ReplyDelete
well to all the people that say the CSM gets nothing done there you go. The CSM gets nothing done but if you're a media whore you can get plenty done.ReplyDelete
Awww you still butthurt Fire Bush? You really need to learn to let it go sometime. Living your life in a constant state of butthurtedness isn't good for you. Medical studies have shown it reduces life expectancy by up to 10 years!Delete
James if you know erotica so well.... why do you keep calling him 'she'?ReplyDelete
So you codies have no problems with eroticas behavior? That he has driven his victim so far into a corner that the victim naturally flipped and said inapropriate things. Guys his wife was crying in the background and you still consider that alright? There is realy something wrong with you. You wanna blame the victim? Or Rippard Teck?ReplyDelete
Yeah you point and blame in all directions but not in direction of the real Perp.
Don't you realise how stupid this reactions is?
Hum, ah, no obviously not.
New Eden is a better place without him. The "bonus room" was no addition to EvE. Vice Versa, Eve was used as a tool there.
as sociopaths leak the ability of sympathy and the ability to plot personal consequences of their behaviour, they will always percive themselves as victims when punisched.Delete
so no big surprises here.
Death to James 315 and new orderReplyDelete
Great this erotica received the short end of the stick now for once and for all....you will not be missed you sociopath!ReplyDelete
Sorry I've been away for a while.....did I miss something?ReplyDelete
It's a sad day for EVE Online. Thank you for everything Erotica1. I say it's time for another Burn Jita event.ReplyDelete
Death to James "erotica 1" 315ReplyDelete
James must have a talent for altering his voice if that is the case, the two sound nothing alike.Delete
Well he sure used to sound a lot more manly before he posted this tearfestDelete
Do I make you horny?ReplyDelete
Ero if you were a girl I'd take you up against the wall in a manly fashion.ReplyDelete
I left EVE for work reasons as I think I told you, but we should stay in touch.
I play some Dota 2 nowadays and Planetside 2 a bit. My steam acc name is 'malificis' - feel free to add.. Will be watching this thread too.
Serel Seiron/Zets Mala-Gernon
CODE and all that roleplaying to free the highsec slaves is fun and all. especially if the carebears whine and rage afterwards.ReplyDelete
however, erotica just abused the roleplaying comuinity of code just the same he abused evein general.
what he did there was not part of the game. it happend outside the game, and it happend for motivations that lay outside the game.
im glad ccp finally made the right decission.
but im disappointed in that this (otherwhise pretty cool) comunity still supports his mind games.
I am very happy Ero got banned and I hope he enjoys WoW.ReplyDelete
And I hope you enjoy me staying around. What's your main Mr. Anonymous?Delete
Anon, I agree with you. As we agree on this, I am willing to make you a special offer of two PLEX for the price of 800m isk. They come in a box as I bought them at a holiday event. Trade in game?ReplyDelete
And this makes EvE different how? Several dozen accounts get permabans every week. Nothing surprising, nothing special.ReplyDelete
Wasnt the isk made thru bounties by allowing a trusted friend capture ? using chat ..forums..etc..too raise the bounty by ticking ppl off??hence the scam...lolReplyDelete
Erotic 1 was out meta gamed is it right is it fair I don't know nor do I care. She was outplayed and lost simple as that. I don't see how a game mechanic was broken here no nerf or buff to high sec. Erotic Was outplayed by her competition and lost everything isn't that eve.ReplyDelete
Everyone involved is completely and utterly pathetic... I'm in awe.ReplyDelete
These tears of yours James, why they are the most delicious tears one could ever ask for.ReplyDelete
More gankers' tears please! Numnumnum:)ReplyDelete
As the predominate troll of Carebears United, I'm kinda torn on the banning of Erotica 1 (E1). For what it's worth, this will not be a troll. Any player who breaks the rules should have to live with the consequences. For CCP to consider the actions of E1 to be so egregious as to permanent ban the account, something had to have happened. I went reading online about the entire incident. I have not heard the TeamSpeak recording.ReplyDelete
In real life, I work in communications, both voice and data. Now for voice communications, what is really interesting to note is that here in the USA, harassing phone calls do have real consequences. What happens in EVE should stay in EVE. Voice communications through TeamSpeak and Ventrilo operate outside the game and should not be subjected to in-game rules. If you don't like what's going on, then disconnect. It's not like they can "call you back" or something.
However, what one needs to consider is that the voice comms was connected to an event in-game. Does that make the communication that took place outside of the game subject to CCP's EULA? I don't know. But with all the controversy that the CSM generated by taking a private matter to a public forum, CCP had no choice but to take action to show the community that they will investigate these situations. When the victim is telling people to drop it, then maybe people should.
Do I support E1's actions in and out of game? I definitely do not. Do I support the CSM's actions? No. The CSM was in very bad form to take this to the public. The CSM was right in taking it to CCP, but should have stopped there. Once the CSM's term has expired, maybe s/he can get a job doing sensationalism reporting for a tabloid, or even Fox news.
To Erotica 1: I do not like your in-game persona. I think you are a scammer, a cheat, and you are definitely a code lacky. Remember, that's in-game. With that said, in real life, I cannot make such a statement as I don't know you at all in real life. You could be my good neighbor who lives across the street that I play poker with a few times a month. Unlike some people however, I CAN make the distinction.
You guys do all understand that its not real? Any persona you choose to adopt in the not real EvE universe is a fiction. You play a role, plain and simple. There are no rules, no code....out place your own game and someone else plays his / her own game. Sometimes on occasion your paths will cross and one of you will determine that you dislike the way the other ways his game....that's ok. Its not real, its just a game. You pay to play, either cash or isk and you pay to play "your" way...exactly the same as the other guy does. Move on, breathe it out and you'll find that in a few hours, a day at most you've forgotten the unpleasant feeling you had when someone did something you didn't like to your not real pixelated game persona.... Its not the end of the world. Its not real, its just a game.ReplyDelete
So many people seem to have forgotten the RP in MMORPG. Even when you think it's obvious that you're speaking OOC, others may still assume you're in character. Though most roles are only as creative as a dark-side Waldo anyway.
RP tears! Oh the tears aren't real, but RP sweet nonetheless:)Delete
Bullshit. There is an abyss which separates the role play with reality calledDelete
sense of discernment. If you start trolling around with everything in any of these realities the consequences are the same, but if there are cheap human beings in the material world it is obvious that they're also inside the virtual world. CCP was right but generally they're wrong. Not the case though.
Those that complained about Erotica and followed or started the lynch mob... jeez, grow a pair...ReplyDelete
E1 sympathiser tears, most deliciously sweet! Per-ma-ban heeheeDelete
Didn't drop any tear for E1, not a sympathizer at all, I actually think is a bad example of a human being - however, the moaning, lobbying and acts by CCP are not right either. My tears are for CCP going down the route of social warrior, politically correct, litigious society that we continually spiral into, which actually restricts our freedom - hence the grow a pair...Delete
Wut??? Okay... The contrary of that also restricts other people's freedom, if you can use your brain to rationalize the consequences of that.Delete
yummm, anonymous tears. numnumReplyDelete
Forget all you fools...I just got a new job on Wall Street so no time for EvE anyway. See ya around suckers!ReplyDelete
deleted denialist comment tears! My tear bucket is overflowing!ReplyDelete
Not everyone in society is able to defend themselves from people like erotica 1. CCP did the right thing removing this toxic character from the game.ReplyDelete
wow this game eve looks fun. is there a link on here to signup?ReplyDelete
I'm glad I went out from EVE. One month was enough for me to see what CCP thinks about those problems, and what they actually do to solve them. Eve is just a very big jerk's place in its large majority.ReplyDelete
This game is actually a load of a fun! It sucks that you decided to quit. Even though it may seem like it, the asshats such as Erotica1 are not the majority of the EVE player base. Most of the people I've had the privilege to fly with, are fun loving people who don't abuse each other. We keep the content in the game, and don't try and ruin each other's lives/mental health in the process!Delete
I'm glad this monster is gone! And yes I'm actually posting on an account someone can find my real character with. That's how happy I am that this monster has been removed from our game!ReplyDelete
Also if anyone doesn't like my stance - feel free to war dec my corp. I love PVP! Contact St'oto (that's me) for some pew pew! I'm the CEO of my corp and would love to get some fights!
BTW - Awoxxers - don't even try it. No one besides me in my corp will gain any sort of access that can give them the authority/permissions to take control of the corp. I've been playing this game since I was 13. (I'm now 24) I know all the scams, etc. So good luck trying...
i dont get why people think its okay to mentally rape mildly retarded peopleReplyDelete