Monday, May 27, 2013

Hydra-Headed Lies, Part 1

Aside from when I was a scammer, I have always made my isk the old-fashioned way, through good, honest, hard work. Everything I own in EVE has been earned by the sweat of my brow.


EVE is a diverse place, and the New Order reflects that diversity. Not everyone comes from my simple, down-home background. Agent Erotica 1 occasionally invites me to take a trip into her glamorous, fast-paced world of isk doubling.


Erotica recently asked me to assist her in handling a client, Hydra Fire. Though she handles a lot of isk directly, she sometimes uses escrow agents to handle contracts. I had a few spare moments, so I served as an escrow agent for Hydra.


After he gave us a full API, I was able to see all of his in-game assets, which enabled me to keep track of the possessions he was sending to me via contract.


And there were a lot of contracts to keep track of; Hydra was assigning me his assets at several contracts per minute.


I gave the New Order crew a few updates as we went along.


Although the rapid-fire contracts weren't the kind of work I was used to, I was determined to prove that I was capable of handling whatever job the sophisticated, urbane Jita set could.


Hydra Fire gave me the backstory. He had met Erotica during a layover in Jita, and he was impressed by her isk doubling talent. He sent a larger sum of isk for doubling, expecting an even bigger return. To his great fortune, he instead received a special invitation to the Bonus Room. He was Erotica's 100th customer!


Hydra had the chance to multiply his wealth dramatically. But such a reward demanded the ultimate demonstration of faith: He was required to hand over everything he owned. 100% trust was mandatory.


After emptying all of his station hangars, he exited his frigate and contracted it to me, as well.


Erotica remembered that many EVE players partake in gambling sites. Hydra had already struck out at the Somer Blink tables, but he had a little isk left in Evealopalous.


Luckily, Eep Eep, an Evealopalous officer, facilitated the transaction.


Hydra was down to a last little bit of isk, just enough to allow him to pay the contract creation fee.


Erotica was surprisingly thorough. I wouldn't have even thought to ask about EVE gambling balances or clothing.


Hydra complied with the terms of the deal by giving me everything he owned, even the shirt off his back. So far, so good. Hydra appeared to have total confidence in Erotica. Maybe these Jita folk weren't so bad after all. But my brief trip into the world of high finance was about to take a dark and unexpected turn.

To be continued...

74 comments:

  1. Have I mentioned my main account has a crippling debt? God damn easy money....

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  2. oooooo i cant wait to hear what happense:D

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  3. He got scammed he 0,00isk and that shows that james 315 and New Order are scammers and always be scammers!

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    1. Then tell me where james did scam that guy?
      It was hydras free will to give the new order the assets and all his money. Thats the spirit!

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    2. James 315 worked with Erotica 1 to perpetuated a lie which Hydra fell for. This is where "james did scam that guy". Yes, it was certainly not a very clever decision on Hydra's part to trust a known scammer so easily (a bit of rudimentary research would have revealed this). But you are simply fooling yourself if you believe James didn't know full well that he was implicit in a scamming activity.

      Way to show your integrity James 315. Perhaps you should get out more.

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    3. James never asked Hydra to give him his assets. Erotica did. So please stop lying. All that James did is accepting this generous gifts.
      Read the chatlogs and you will understand.

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    4. Erotica is not a scammer. She is well-known as one of the biggest philanthropists in the game. She took a scam of isk doubling and created an honest game out of it.

      Perhaps Mr. Anonymous, you couldn't read her rules and donated for those who can???

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  4. Why "to be continued...?"

    We all know what happened. He gave the shirt. Gave everything that he had. The Erotica 1 came up with some excuse that he broke here rules and kept everything.

    Sad thing is that, in my opinion, this just makes everything the New Order does look even more fishy and less legitimate. If the NO was truly legit, why even associate with EvE's Bernie Madoff?

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    1. If he actually did break the rules, then keeping everything due to that fact isn't an 'excuse', but simply the only fair thing to do.

      Using your weaselly terminology, I would say that your comments are are merely an excuse you give to justify your pre-existing bot-aspirancy.

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    2. "weaselly terminology" where? what are you pointing at?

      Erotica 1 is a known scammer - no matter how you want to phrase what s/he does or what "weaselly terminology" you apply - s/he scams. When groups, no matter how noble their actions, associate with guilty parties (or even parties alleged to have done something wrong.) it effects the legitimacy of that group.

      And I am neither a bot, nor am I bot-aspirant. I do not mine. I fully support what the New Order does. So, next time focus on what is being said instead of attempting to attack the person writing something. I makes you look just like a carebear, shedding tears when the NO stops by. So, just stop, it does not help you at all - it weakens you

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    3. Erotica 1 publishes all of her rules in her Bio.

      She also makes it clear that players who break the rules fund her activities.

      He already broke more than a few, such as failing to remove and contract his shirt and the ship he was in.

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    4. ""weaselly terminology" where? what are you pointing at? "

      I was referring to: "The[sic] Erotica 1 came up with some excuse that he broke here[sic] rules and kept everything. "

      "And I am neither a bot, nor am I bot-aspirant[sic]. I do not mine. I fully support what the New Order does. So, next time focus on what is being said instead of attempting to attack the person writing something. I[sic] makes you look just like a carebear, shedding tears when the NO stops by. So, just stop, it does not help you at all - it weakens you[sic] "

      Good advice, you should take it. Attacking the person, instead of ideas, is exactly what your posts consist of.

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  5. I really want to see this take an unexpected turn.

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    1. An unexpected turn would be the guy actually gets his ISK doubled. But is that "dark"?

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  6. A fool and his money.... Hydra must be some 12 yr old idiot. I do not feel bad at all

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  7. and the shirt off his back too!
    He stakes it all... and he's gonna win!

    - Amyclas

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  8. "Posted: 2013.05.24 22:11
    WARNIG THIS IS A SCAM.

    today i took erotica up on her bonus room. shehe asked me to give all i had. scince i saw this post i thought it was legit. in the end he/she made up a sad excuse saying that i lied. i told them i was in the library where i was whe i was i my houses library room. a
    anyways dont trust eroctica she/he will take everything you own

    Hydra Fire
    Space-Bar"


    Just as we all thought it would end.

    TEC

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    1. A clear lie.

      He was not at a library. He was in his own home.

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    2. He's admitted to one lie--but we'll have to wait for part 2 to see if he's been honest about how many lies there were, or if this was the lie that lost him his double. I have a feeling there's much more to the story. A hydra has many heads, cut one off and 2 more grow in its place. A hydra fire has many lies, expose one and three more grow in its place.

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    3. I did not lie, she asked me and i replied, talk to her yourself and get your facts straight. i did all as she said.
      Hydra

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    4. Sorry buddy, I was there, I saw the lies ;)

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  9. i have yet to find out if its a scam. heéshe said that they might give he isk and stuff back. i will know for sure in a week then follow up on the thread to let you all know if it is legit. i will also post here.

    Hydra

    P.S. To all of you who say im an idiot, keep thiking those sad thoughts. just to get to jealous that i was her 100th customer :P

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    1. They're all the 100th customer you stupid mother fucker.

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    2. Anon above me is jelly because he wasn't 100th.

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    3. Erotica does a ton of business, so the 100th customer cycles through a few times. But I have heard from a great deal of people who were not the 100th, so get your facts straight.

      Erotica is as straight as they come, well aside for the bedroom that is.

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  10. "Aside from when I was a scammer, I have always made my isk the old-fashioned way,"

    Explains alot about the psyche of James 315. LOL. He never grew out of the previous style.

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    1. @Capt Starfox
      http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/05/hydra-headed-lies-part-1.html

      Obviously. His big mistake was to write his confession down and then post it on the internet.

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    2. So long as we're handing out ridiculously baseless responsibility relationships, I'd just like to come out and say that I am 100% responsible for burn Jita. Oh and Bobbins is literally Hitler. That essay you wrote about Hitler for your History Class? Bro, no one knows that much about Hitler unless they -are- Hitler.

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    3. @Ziaeon
      Godwin's Law.

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    4. Hey man, you're the one that came in with straw man arguments, I was just going with the trend.

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    5. @Capt Starfox

      No proof needed. Confession aces any need for proof.

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    6. This just in: Bobbins has confessed that he's actually a jealous scammer, angry that Erotica and James take in more ISK than he does without having to scam anyone. Now that Bobbins has been revealed, we can start just making fun of him; and never should waste our time refuting his boring and repetitive arguments again.

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    7. @Ziaeon
      What strawman argument are you on about? Currin Trader was a well known scammer, James315 now seems to be participating in a scam and he has written it down.
      Where is the aunt sally then?

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    8. @Bobbins
      What aunt sally are you going on about? Bobbins was a well known troll, he now seems to be participating in scams and he's written it down.
      Where's your moral indignation then?

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    9. @Anony 4:48
      Sorry used wrong word but aunt sally is another term for the strawman argument.

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    10. Oh, I see. Across the pond we call it the drunken Bobbins sometimes.

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    11. We would expect no more from people 'across the pond'.

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    12. Yes, you're somewhat of a poster child for the 'low expectations' crowd.

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    13. @Bobbins

      Seriously man? "http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/05/hydra-headed-lies-part-1.html" is your whole argument? That's your proof?

      For one James wasn't "scamming" he was "receiving" "items" from Hydra Fire. ..actually there's no need for a second argument on my part, that pretty much kills yours; obviously.

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  11. This is nothing compare to James' big ongoing scam.

    http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/05/ninety-one-billion-in-shares-sold.html

    The Lemming List
    http://www.minerbumping.com/p/shareholders.html

    The Top Lemming (Numero Uno)
    https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Daltzi
    13,000,000,000isk sucker

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    1. I really dont see the scam.
      We pay the new order so they fuck up bots and bot aspirant players.
      James and the new order does that on a daily basis.
      Ergo no scam. Idiot.

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    2. if I had an active account I'd donate a few hundred million isk just for the laughs alone. people know what they're giving money to.

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    3. Bobbins, you have a very interesting definition of "scam" going on.

      How is investing in the New Order of Highsec a scam in any sense of the word? Who is being scammed? What is the scam?

      You may not like that some people choose to give money to the New Order of Highsec as a display of support and that's your prerogative but to call it scamming is abusing the definition of a scam.

      People who invest in the New Order of Highsec receive exactly what they were told they would receive from their investment.

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    4. Bobbins also thinks it's a scam that I keep buying Mercedes-Benzes, because they're more expensive than the average car-so obviously I got scammed out of the difference. He's never been the sharpest tool in the shed--but he's definitely been a tool.

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    5. Donation to the New Order is voluntary, and there is no promised reward for doing so. Where is the scam, Bobbins?

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    6. @Agent Eunoli
      Where is the money?

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    7. @Bobbins: I have money.

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    8. @Anony 4:53
      James315 has more.

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    9. What money?

      The nature of your question is such that it is clear you are unable to quantify how Investing in the New Order of Highsec is a scam in any means.

      You may as well just write out, "You're right, the investors in the New Order are receiving exactly what they are sending the ISK in for and, as such, I was mistaken that it is a scam. It is not a scam. Thank you for illuminating that for me."

      If you are really interested in what happens to ISK sent to James 315 just read this site. The reimbursement program for Knights is real (I made use of it).

      Investors in the New Order are investing their support for the New Order. Every post in regards to investing in the New Order and buying shares in the New Order outlines exactly what is being purchased. As such, people are receiving what they are paying for.

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    10. "@Anony 4:53
      James315 has more."

      thanks for confirming my earlier points about how this all comes down to jealousy on your part.

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    11. @Heywood Djiblomi @Agent Eunoli
      You think the New Order has the isk? You definitely haven't been conned then. Its a good job the New Order keeps accounts of its investments or someone may be tempted to take it. Its a good job James315 is so trustworthy. :) .

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    12. @Bobbins: Its a good job, but someone has to do it.

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    13. I think bobbins is confusing a "Supporter" with an "Investor". Those who give isk are the former.

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    14. Bobbins, I think you need to understand what scamming is.

      You believe, and that is fair, that people who send ISK to support (invest) in the New Order of Highsec are doing so pointlessly. That is a valid -opinion- and many people disagree with you.

      People who "invest" in the New Order of Highsec have many reasons for doing so but, for the most part, the reasoning boils down to: support the organization in its goal at destroying mining vessels in Highsec.

      Scamming, on the other hand, means this as the dictionary definition:

      scam (skm) Slang
      n.
      A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
      tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
      To defraud; swindle.

      To understand what that means (since you do not) one needs to explain fraudulent:

      Adjective

      Obtained, done by, or involving deception, esp. criminal deception: "the fraudulent copying of American software".
      Unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.

      Synonyms
      deceitful - dishonest - deceptive

      There is -nothing- deceitful about the shares in the New Order. There is nothing that is claimed that does not happen. Everything in regards to investing in the New Order is clearly laid out and understandable.

      Anyone who reads what buying shares means (and it is, again, clearly stated in James 315's share post) knows what they are getting from their support.

      You might not agree with supporting the New Order and that is fine and dandy. After all, by not supporting the New Order you are creating content for those who support it and yourself. But, this is NOT a scam. This is nothing like a scam.

      By definition, this is not a scam. To believe otherwise is a failure of understanding the definition of a scam.

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    15. Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to edit my post and I realize that some people might take exception to the 'destroying mining vessels in highsec' so allow me to restate that in the manner in which I meant it:

      The vision of the New Order of Highsec is to stop botting and bot aspirants in Highsec. One of the (unfortunate) results of this goal is the destruction of those who fail to comply with the Code.

      Those who buy shares in the New Order of Highsec are simply showing their support for the vision and goals of the New Order. I was typing quickly and should have phrased that sentence with greater clarity.

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    16. Out of curiosity how many shares have you purchased Agent Eunoli?

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  12. People say scamming like it's a bad thing... sup wit dat?

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    1. Nothing is wrong with it... it is a perfectly legal aspect of the game.
      My problem is that the people that do the most scamming are those making the most noise that what they are doing is not scamming.

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    2. Because thats how they remain successful... are you seriously having issues with this concept?

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    3. ...Which is exactly why they make the most scamming.

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    4. "Because thats how they remain successful... are you seriously having issues with this concept?"

      Uh, no, but when people call Erotica 1 and the New Order scammers you all come out in droves arguing that you are not scammers, yet it seems by your post above that you are admitting that this is all a scam?

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    5. It seems by your post above that you have trouble telling people apart. Ironically, this lack of perception makes you a prime target for scammers.

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  13. Oh damn! I got comment sniped.

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  14. oh jesus lord...

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    1. Yes, my son?

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    2. The New Order provides. Even Jesus is a fan.

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    3. WWJD? Gank a non-compliant miner, of course.

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  15. The bottom line is James 315 and New order are scammers what ever james is promising is not happening not working and never will happen!!!
    And dont say where is your proof!!!
    To me it looks like james 315 NO are running out of isk and need to look at other ways to make an isk or 2!

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    1. Where is your proof?

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  16. Erotica 1 gives best blowjobs in eve

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  17. Hmmm The Savior promises to pay for our catalysts after we use them to purge New Eden of code-violators, and delivers. Would you like a screenshot of my wallet?

    -Galaxy Pig

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