Tuesday, November 18, 2014

A Team Effort, Part 1

The New Order is no stranger to teamwork. We know that together, we are much more powerful than we would be alone (though even alone we're extraordinarily powerful). Consider, for instance, CODEdot's history-making Alliance Tournament team. Or the team effort employed in rescuing a young highsec miner named The Feet.


Agent Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri and his fellow Knights were hard at work, patrolling highsec. Then they found The Feet. (Salah's recommended sound track for today's episode was a link on YouTube for Mendelssohn's Symphony No. 4 'Italian', performed by the Chamber Orchestra of Europe (COE, not to be confused with CODE.).)


The Feet was ganked by Agents Gallie Crendraven and Gohman Patrouette. As you can see, The Feet was flying an illegal Hulk, which was not tanked to New Order specifications. The Feet also lost his 177 million isk pod, for a total of about half a billion isk lost.


Gallie and Gohman had made a lot of assumptions. They assumed the Code would be victorious. They also assumed The Feet was just a typical young carebear embarking on a path to bot-aspirancy. However, The Feet's bio warned them against making any assumptions. Our gallant gankers therefore decided to forward The Feet to the New Order "Behaviour Correction Department".


Before interviewing The Feet, they asked him if he had any questions of his own. He did.


Agent www lawofhighsec com hardly began her explanation when she was met by four more rapid-fire questions from the miner. Obviously The Feet needed more help than the average carebear, so additional Agents were invited to the channel.


Remember what The Feet's bio said about assumptions? The young carebear was no proper newbie. He began mining in highsec over seven years ago. Now he was back, awakening to find himself in a new era of highsec--the New Order era. So much had changed.


Ownership of empire space had changed hands while The Feet was away. The torch was passed from total anarchy to James 315. Most people are very happy with the new government. I'm flattered.


The Feet managed to be a bittervet and a highsec carebear, all in one. Unfortunately, he chose to express his feelings in an inappropriate way.


Each Agent draws upon the power of the EVE Terms of Service in a different way. Agent www lawofhighsec com, for example, petitions those who use abusive language. Others never petition anything. Regardless, it's best to follow the Code, which requires miners to speak politely.


Immediately after The Feet left the convo, another ganked miner was invited to the channel. Like something out of a Monty Python sketch, he insisted he was fine.


The matter of The Feet remained unresolved. Maybe The Feet would have disappeared into the mists of obscurity, were it not for New Order teamwork. Agent Tisiphone Dira found him!


As I said, much has changed in highsec. Hek is a New Order stronghold, and local was filled with random players encouraging The Feet to follow the Code. Would peer pressure encourage The Feet to buy a permit at last? Or would he continue to rebel against modern culture and get left behind?

To be continued...

103 comments:

  1. I find that linking the TOS that explicitly says foul language is not allowed is a fine way to bring angry carebears into compliance with the "Keep local clean" facet of The Code.

    And then if they keep it up, I don't feel bad about petitioning them.

    PS: Great musical choice, Salah!

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  2. I wonder if the CODE players behind their toons believe in the stuff they're spewing...

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    1. I absolutely do. And I'm always willing to meet anybody with an open mind on our TS so they can hear the sincerity in my voice during a discussion about The Code.

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    2. I don't have a mic, and as far as I can tell, it'd be a waste of my time anyway. Thanks for the offer though.

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    3. The benefit of the Code is that there are many resourceful and friendly agents out there to help you find enlightenment. Might you have some earbuds, maybe a roll of tinfoil? The New Order recognizes that not everyone can afford a $10 headset from Walmart to add to their thousand dollar computers, so we can help walk you through some alternatives. We're here to help. And remember, we're the good guys!

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    4. SodaStream Consumer RepresentativeNovember 18, 2014 at 9:05 PM

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      Remember, that's not soda.... that's SodaStream.

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    5. Ah... this is the bot CODE so loves xDD

      Now boy, go kill it! Pop the capsule.. er.. soda?

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    6. Great story with a cliff hanger at the end... This reminds me of something Veers said over at that other forum. Veers apparently believes The Feet is a brand new new player. It doesn't matter that he's 7 years old and flies a hulk recklessly around high-sec with a enough implants to classify him as cyborg. No this guy, The Feet, actually needs to be protected from gankers with a new mechanic from concord. You see once you bump him Veers wants concord to warp in double time and give the Hulk a get out of jail free card in the form of 60 seconds of unstoppable warp off time. Veers, wonder why just 60 seconds? why not 5 minutes? or why not allow instant warp off for everyone in HS?

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    7. Erotica, I won't go into details why I could not use the mic even if I had one. Futhermore. my computer has not cost even nearly $1000 even when I bought it over 6 years ago.

      Your post has very negative attitude, is that how you think you'll win people over to CODE? You have much to learn. Maybe you should resign your current day job and try customer service. It might grow you as a human being.

      Also, good guys don't get banned.

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    8. "Also, good guys don't get banned."

      A claim, unsupported by evidence, has been detected. It can be safely ignored.

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    9. [Citation needed}

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    10. Stop lying, 60 secs post gank, not post bump. And that's enough time for an at keyboard player to figure out what is going on and warp off.

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    11. "...as I can tell, it'd be a waste of my time anyway."

      Thus the invitation does not extend to you. I extend it only to those with an open mind. I have no doubt that anybody that comes in good faith to talk about The Code with me will leave a convert.

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    12. Yeah right erotica1, good guys get Concorded for committing criminal acts...you code monkeys are delusional at best...you are pirates that are no better than the Sansha pirates who also think they own the space the operate in...

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    13. Well, I withdraw my thanks then. Your mind is probably more closed than mine, and that's why it would be waste of my time.

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    14. I am always open to counter argument. You would have to meet me for an exchange of ideas to provide one, however, which you refuse to do.

      You will come around eventually, though. Of this I have no doubt.

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    15. No you aren't. Your behavior here already tells your mind is set. Have fun with your delusions.

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    16. You are wrong. Let's meet on TS and talk about it!

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    17. Still no mic ^_^

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    18. I think that you just don't want to talk to me. I think that you're afraid that you may hear the reason in what I have to say. Hiding from the truth will not save you from it.

      100% compliance is coming. Come on in for the big win.

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  3. There is something i wonder, does the permit count for all the member of the New Order or the bot-miner need to pay each code enforcer ?

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    1. A permit counts for all New Order members, whether in CODE. Alliance or not.

      And yes, they are most definitely honoured. as long as you continue to follow the Code. Those who play Eve like a bot after purchasing their permit WILL be killed: it is unfair on ordinary decent miners who buy their permits in good faith for ISBoxers to fail in their obligations.

      If you want to discuss, send me an email in game.

      Dr Tyler

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  4. My name is Jerry Rin.

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    1. Now, all together, repeat after me:

      "Welcome, Jerry Rin"

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    2. Hey Jerry, long time no see. So when are you coming over to my place to get your balls stretched again? I've been kinda busy as of late. I have had a lot of customers come by wanting their balls stretched. Erotica 1, Wolf Soprano, DJ Entropy, 290xanaots, even James 315 himself came by once. You should talk to these people to hear their testicular testimonials.

      In the United States, the number to book an appointment is 1-855-437-3825. The price is USD$30.00 per session. We do sanitize the equipment after every customer. Call now and schedule a ball stretching appointment today!

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    3. ButthurtMiner, do you speak with your therapist about these fantasies of yours? They don't seem very healthy.

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    4. Umm...Although I appreciate the complement, that wasn't me. I have no idea who that is.

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    5. Sure sounds like you. Please now, don't be shy. It's very creative writing! Just also very, very disturbed. At least you're one up on most miners, they're just disturbed.

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    6. I certainly hate to disappoint you, but that is not me.

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    7. Take pride in your writing, Mr. Butthurt! There's no reason not to stand up and claim that piece of writing as your own! We all know you wrote it.

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    8. Masturbation Bot is an imposter - I support Butthurt Miner as our resident troll.

      This blog ain't big enough for the both of them.

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    9. I knew that simply writing that name in would generate tears! lol!

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  5. I see this said a lot and want to address it: Miners are at the bottom of the EVE food-chain, but people who care to point that out to them are typically at the bottom of the RL food-chain. That is to say people who have girlfriends, families, and/or respectable jobs just wouldn't care to judge someone's position in a video game. It's done by someone who needs to feel better about themselves.

    Spare me your tears please just an observation.

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    1. Whoops wrong article :P

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    2. I could explain why you're wrong, but I'mma go with the easy route on this one.

      "It's done by someone who needs to feel better about themselves." [citation needed]

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  6. You say they will leave a convert, 290, I say they will leave brainwashed...

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    1. Protip: Click the "reply" button towards the top of a comment thread to continue the discussion in that thread.

      I don't think you're actually aware of what I believe. I think you have some false idea of what The Code and the New Order is all about if you think any one of us is "brainwashed". I wish you would come to the table in good faith and engage in some civilized discussion.

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  7. Ah I see veers is at it again with that loony 60 second bug out timer. reminds me of that time veers proposed increasing EHP on pods to be equal the value of the isk implanted. oh and it would only apply when in HS. You know we really need to protect the 7 year old new player whose been afk the entire time from evil CODE.

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  8. Finally one of you code monkeys has it correct..."...evil CODE."...

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  9. Team work eh? So how many code monkey bots does it take to speak asshole to people? No idea? Apparently it's 4. So code has been busy translating the code into the language of the people. I wasn't aware that the people spoke asshole.

    Besides, I see that code has been busy with their so-called enforcement. DJ Entropy and Jerry Rin were the perpetrators there, and CONCORD showed up and killed them.

    In other news, I infiltrated code headquarters in Kino and got a IRL picture of your so called false prophet, James 315. So it looks like the buffoon of highsec really is a...I don't know what you call that thing.

    I was also able to get Wolf Soprano and Erotica 1's pictures as well. No wonder they don't go outside. I wouldn't go outside if I looked like that. I don't know about you, but if I saw something that looked like Erotica 1, I would be calling an exterminator, or the x-files.

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    1. dude Erotica 1 was the hottest piece of ass in game

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    2. As we all know, an in-game avatar is not in real life.

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    3. As we all know I said "hottest piece of ass in game". did you know that was in game and not RL? I don't give a flying fuck what you look like out of game cuz I will never meet you.

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    4. Too bad she had the worst personality.

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  10. Just remember that in the real life you don't have a life after you get podded so keep catching enemies if you want that.

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    1. I really hope no one is messed up enough to attack them in the real life, no matter how despicable they act in the game.

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  11. There will always be humans like that.
    It have happened before in EVE with less provocation than this.
    And that is not a threat as I see that, just someone who tells them that in real life you don't have a med clone after you fucked up.

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    1. Thankfully, bears tend to be just as inept in real-life as they are in-game.

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    2. How many do you know iRL? You should not make generalizations or assumptions about people. Game is one thing, but when you take it to RL, you're out of the line.

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    3. I know to many humans that would kill if provoced yes.
      Even for a fantasy world like EVE.
      Read below in my post from 6:15 AM
      As long as players think role play is an excuse to push other players to the limit murder in the games name will continue forever.
      I'm not saying this is ok but since I worked with humans that murdered for harassment in games I do know what I'm talking about.

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    4. I would still assume they're as minority in gamers. Also, can you make generalization that they like to play carebears, or could they be gankers as well?

      And I still see Alana being out of the line. I could make assumptions of his real-life personality based on that, but I think I'll keep those to myself for now.

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    5. It can be any kind of players that have that problems with games and real life stuff.

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  12. Yikes!
    I have been playing games for about 30 years now.
    I have seen all bad sides of gaming and good sides too.

    Don't ever think that the game world isn't equally important for some players so when bullied in the game they might take that as a threat against them in the real world.

    I worked with some of our most dangerous men and women here in Sweden and I had at least one patient there that killed just because of a game.

    So even if you love this role play keep that in mind that there will always be players that get relly provoced and there are a rare group that will take this to real world threats etc.
    Sometime it just doesn't stop with threats it just stops with a real world murder.

    Play on and have fun but please do think about the rare few that will take this as a personal harassment too.
    By this I don't mean you should stop acting like you do but just have your thoughts on the players who take this game world seriously and might take their anger outside the game.

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    1. Citizens would do better to keep a wary eye out for rampaging water buffalo while walking the streets. Statistically speaking, you've got a better chance of being trampled by one of those than you have of being murdered by a nutcase from Sweden.

      [Urban Density and the Effects of Water Buffalo Displacement on Ambulatory Human Populations. Verpunt, Spinner, & Borscht, 2005, pp 16-34]

      [20 Seconds of Terror: At the Mercy of the Water Buffalo. Randolph Banks, Readers Digest August 2003]

      [Shark Vs Water Buffalo: Discovery Channel, 5-part series first aired April 2012]

      [Hitler's Water Buffalo, How the Nazis Almost Won the War: Dobman, G, Simon & Schuster 1975]

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    2. That's true.
      Since there will be players that don't feel well and may use violence everyone should think of that when pushing player to the limit.

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    3. You should never taunt a water buffalo. Just don't.

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    4. You should never buffalo a buffalo. Just don't.

      Fixed that for you Fawn.

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    5. Fawn, I LOL'd at your bibliography. Funny as hell.

      The Code always wins (even vs water buffalo) !!

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    6. I once accidentally a buffalo, is that bad?

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    7. Wait, so carebears cry about the alleged IRL violence and hate we continually perpetrate, but then say "You know, you guys should watch out with what you do in game or someone just like me might UP AND KILL YOU IRL!" as though this is somehow acceptable relative to anything CODE has ever done, ever.

      Do carebears not get it yet? The people who have a problem with taking this game to real life aren't in CODE and have never been! Only carebears would care that much. Not even the most evil of the CODE psychopaths (me) would care about the foolish money/items in this pointless game enough to actually do something IRL about it. While I'm a huge asshole in the game, I'm also a pretty nice guy too and wouldn't think about hurting someone IRL due to anything in an online game, despite what you tard carebears write about me.

      Carebears, please be sure to cry about "blaming the victim" when we gank someone and troll them. Just make sure that after you do that, you say that we earned real life death threats and potential violence from the crazy, isolated carebears we ganked because, you know, we sure do tend to provoke people with our everyday activities!

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    8. Why do you think Carebears have not united to fight CODE? I'll tell you. It's because that even if we are put in the same "Carebear" category, the opinions on things we have are black and white, and every shade of gray in between.

      Now, I would appreciate if you would not generalize your outburst to whole Carebear category, but rather target those who do actual threatening. We are not all like that you know.

      Also, where here have you seen anyone actually saying you've earned those threats, or potential violence? Don't put words into our mouths either. Closest you'd get with my own comment of "part of the blame goes to them (CODE)", which mostly means that the threats do not come unprovoked.

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    9. Well said, Mr. Rin.

      It's just the same old shit on a different day, really. Carebear is so emotionally invested in a silly multiplayer video game that taking a loss or suffering defeat by the hands of another player literally sends them into a insane rage, during which time they say the most adorable things - but it's not their fault, after all - someone beat them in a video game!

      I'm reminded of when I was around 13 years old hanging at the local mall kicking everyone's ass left and right in Mortal Kombat or Tekken. The awesome people would lose, try again, lose, try again - adapt, learn to be better players, and after getting roflstomped by me a few hundred times - would start to get good. Of course, 95% of the kids would just get angry, threaten to kick my ass, scream, rage, kick the machine, etc. The latter never got any good at the game, and grew up to be the carebear EVE players of today :)

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    10. @Anon 10:02PM

      A real life death threat is NEVER "provoked" or "acceptable" in a video game. If getting trolled or roflstomped hard results in a player behaving in this manner, 100% of the fault rests with the player issuing those threats.

      If someone takes this (or any!) video game so serious that actually issuing threats of RL harm somehow becomes even slightly acceptable, I urge this player to take a break and spend some time doing something else.

      Now, to be fair - your argument about painting all "carebears" into one group and judging them based on the actions of a few is valid and fair, however. In my time flying with CODE, I met a few players who I flew with once and would never fly with or game with again - as I found them to be abusive to others and generally intolerable. Please understand, however, that I am talking about one or two people - and they were never anyone well known. Now, when it comes to the carebear - meeting one who would laugh about a loss or even simply remain silent in the event of a loss was rare. The norm was to rage, issue threats, rage some more, and then after calming down PERHAPS become reasonable, but that was also quite rare.

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    11. I stand behind my claim that even a death threat can be provoked. I agree it's never acceptable. I don't think unprovoked threats should be treated similar to those where the other person has taunted and trolled the other one until he gets that threatening response.

      I can't talk for all carebears, I can talk only for myself. I can't say I know many people in EVE. It's EVE, you can't trust people that much, and without trust there's little reason for interaction.

      I'm not an old player, and have been only in one corporation, and it's a small one. It's a corp that does everything a carebear corporation is expected to do: mining, industry, ratting. I do know those few individuals in the corp, well enough to call them friends. These are carebears who know what EVE is about, and shrug off any ship losses that come to their way. And as these are the only carebears I know (well enough), I assume that most of the other carebears are the same breed. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it matters little. I'm still a carebear myself, and so are my corpmates.

      I could try to explain why some people react with those threats if you have not figured it out yourself, but I don't see it changing anything, so I won't bother.

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    12. Dear Anon: 11:20,

      That's an interesting position you take with "justified death threats." You should elaborate more on that position. I'm curious as to your philosophy behind that stance.

      You also say that there is little reason for interaction in Eve. You do realize that it is an MMO right? That you're meant to interact with other people?

      As for your corpmates, you can very quickly determine what type of players they are in the face of a wardec. A carebear will react every time as though the wardeccers are their actual enemies. Not as though they're opponents in a video game, but actually people that want to do them harm--a real enemy. If you do not believe this describes your corpmates, please provide us with your corporation name and we will perform a quick audit and return the results to you.

      Note: The audit may take up to one week.

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  13. except some people have very low limits, I've seen some people issue death threats for losing empty pods.

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    1. That'd been the limit for making threats, but not necessarily the limit to use (physical) violence.

      As carebear as I may be, I don't approve RL threats. Those who can't handle emotions should perhaps play something else. CODE does provoke a lot though, so part of the blame goes to them. Probably the reason CCP does not ban those who make those threats.

      Stop trolling and you might get better reactions.

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    2. Yes, "provoking" death threats means the person being threatened is at fault, just like wearing that really cute dress means it's kinda the victim's fault they got sexually assaulted, am I rite? :)

      Thankfully, we play a game where threats of RL violence/murder/rape are treated with a light slap on the wrist. Just ask CCP Falcon about it, if you are lucky he will bless you with the ten double plus secret rules :)

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    3. Just dressing in a cute dress is not a good example. It'd be more like no dress, or any other clothes for that matter, bending over, saying "no touching" and winking to the assaulter. Assaulter still did wrong, but part of the blame goes to the victim.

      I have no reason whatsoever to bother CCP personnel with such trivialities.

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    4. While that may be true, someone still has control over how they react to something that happens to them in the game. So regardless of whether or not it was said in anger, making an RL threat against another player in EVE Online is against the rules set up by CCP.

      And of course breaking the rules once does not equal an immediate ban as far as I can tell, depending on the offence in question of course. Of course I could be entirely wrong since I don't know the internal workings of CCP.

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    5. I agree, those bursts should not happen, and CCP should take action to get them out of the game.

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    6. @Anon 8:35PM

      But they won't. All that really matters to CCP at the end of the day is cash. If they bothered to enforce the whole "real life harassment" clause of the EULA in a uniform/impartial way, the entire carebear population would be totally decimated and the lack of revenue would probably kill the game.

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    7. "Just dressing in a cute dress is not a good example. It'd be more like no dress, or any other clothes for that matter, bending over, saying "no touching" and winking to the assaulter. Assaulter still did wrong, but part of the blame goes to the victim."

      Wow, are you for real?!

      So if you walk into a strip bar, where the girls bend over and wink at you as part of their job, you are then justified in raping them? They are to blame?

      What kind of a troglodyte are you?

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    8. Learn to read, that doesn't even deserve an answer.

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    9. It's rather amusing really. Everytime when some CODE member manages to talk to me in manner I start to think that maybe CODEs not THAT bad, someone like RG here opens his mouth. Oh well, I'm sure he's with like-minded people.

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    10. Sure, first you blame the victim for getting raped (sorry, partly blame), then you blame others for "misunderstanding" what you said. It seems to be your mindset anyway, no surprise there.

      Your words speak for themselves:

      "... but part of the blame goes to the victim." -- Anonymous @ 5:28 PM

      If that's not a textbook example of blaming the victim, then I don't know what is. You literally say the words.

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    11. First of all, it was not me who brought the whole rape thing here. Secondly, if the strip club would not have bouncers, and the assaulter would not have consequences from his actions, what would you expect to happen?

      Nowhere have I justified raping in any circumstances. In my opinion, you owe me an apology.

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    12. Hold on, I had to do a double take here... are you really saying that the only thing preventing the assaulter from raping the strip girls are the bouncers in the club, and the fact that there might be consequences for his actions?

      So, in a hypothetical scenario, if the girls were stripping with no bouncers around, they are just asking for it?

      Wow...

      Dude, when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.

      I don't think I have the stomach to continue speaking to such a despicable human being such as you, not even anonymously. You seriously need to get your head checked.

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    13. Was I saying it would be me doing those things? No. Stop reading between the lines, there's nothing there.

      Now you owe me a big apology.

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    14. If we take that strip club example, and assume the girl would've not gotten raped if she was not provoking intentionally, then I think she does deserve bit of the blame.

      I also think the rapist still should be castrated.

      Or, if we take this to EVE, and please, let's do, because the rape thing is really awful topic.

      Autopiloting AFK-Hauler slowboating towards gate. Does he deserve to be ganked?

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    15. @anon 1:08

      uh, no one accused you of actually doing these things. where are you even reading that?

      but you are accused of blaming the victims for being raped which you are clearly blaming them with your stupid examples

      u owe a big apology to all women, especially victims of rape!

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    16. I guess that I have to chime in. There are cases where a victim was judged to have asked for it. In the USA, Florida, a number of years ago in the 1980s or 1990s a woman was raped. She was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear. The perp was acquitted. Do I agree with this? No, I don't.

      As for death threats, there are plenty of people here in the USA who will have NO problem killing someone over what happens in a game. Now if you provoke someone to the point where they start issuing death threats, then back off. Seriously, you don't know what that person might be capable of. They could get your home address, break in, and murder you. People have been killed for a whole lot less. As a society, we have rules that deal with murder, but some people don't care when you are the target of blind rage.

      Remember, given the right motivation, anyone can kill. Even that kid that you picked on in school. This is part of what's going on in the USA with all the school shooting that have happened. People get picked on until they break. And when they do break, it isn't pretty.

      In my mind, there are only three justifiable reasons to kill another human being:

      1. War
      2. Self defense or defense of another person.
      3. Execution of a criminal.

      And there's a fourth reason which is difference of religion, but that only applies to Islamic terrorists. I know that many people in this game are from Europe, where there is no death penalty. But you have to look at it from our point of view: If someone murdered one of your family members, say a child, and I'm not talking about an accident, I'm talking about cold blooded murder, wouldn't you hunt the bastard down and give him a Colombian necktie? It's natural to want revenge for a wrong that was done to you, the the nature of the payback should reflect the crime. It's called justice.

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    17. Nvm about accusing me doing those things, I misread.

      All victims of rape, Reality Grip included, please accept my apology for my badly chosen words.

      Now, that EVE example, Mr. RG? Don't try to to wiggle your way out of that.

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    18. The real issue at the heart of this ongoing argument is the expectation of safety. The New Order strongly believes that you should not be able to engage in any profession with a half-fit or untanked ship. Period. And we take action to ensure that this is the case.

      The carebear disagrees with our actions. The carebear believes he is entitled to safety. He is not. When you undock, you consent to PVP. This is the most fundamental rule of Eve. If you do not consent, do not undock, or do not play.

      Elaborate analogies are not necessary to communicate these simple realities.

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    19. So.. as I don't think I should be completely safe (or at all), I am not a carebear? Me thinking I should not be safe does not change the fact I don't like CODE exercising it's right to blow unarmed mining vessels into pieces :P

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    20. LOL Butthurt Miner goes on a tirade about how tough he is and how we cant underestimate his capabilities. Dunno about you BM, but what you wrote there (and all other similar forms of this by other writers here) is easily interpreted as a direct threat to the people here. Let me illustrate:

      "You guys should really tone it down on everything you do to the miners. After all, if you push people to the edge they're gonna lash back in ways that you wouldn't necessarily expect.... Maybe the miners even find you in real life and kill you. Who could blame the miners after being provoked in such horrible ways? You wouldn't want that, now would you?

      Love,
      Butthurt Miner"

      If the above example isn't ok, and it isn't, then all the other crap I've seen like it here isn't good either. Stop issuing threats to people here claiming that miners (like yourselves) are one day going to kill them IRL and be justified for doing so. Do not veil these comments with "While I dont agree with it, theyre gonna totally murder you irl and im gonna lol when they do because you deserved it for making him mad by ganking him lol u idiot!" as it does not hide the fact that you are a terrible human being. Give it up and take your trash to another website. Just ask yourself, "Should someone kill me for the things I wrote here in the Minerbumping comments section?"

      I'd do a blow by blow of Butthurt Miner's complete retardation above, but why bother. Just re-read his post one sentence at a time and tell me it isn't threatening. I'll just leave this gem here to show you how twisted BM really is:

      "It's natural to want revenge for a wrong that was done to you, the the nature of the payback should reflect the crime. It's called justice."

      I'm certain of very little in this life, Mr. Miner. However, I am certain of one thing: THAT isn't justice.

      -Jerry

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    21. Jerry -

      And the worst part is - he is so used to behaving in this way it seems totally normal to him. You can tell, however, that he suffers from the same problem as all the generic white-knights suffer from: a inability to tell the difference between a video game and real life.

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    22. "... I don't like CODE exercising it's right to blow unarmed mining vessels..."

      Now we're getting somewhere. You agree with our policy of "undock = consent" and you acknowledge ganking miners as our right. Why then would you want to remove that right?

      Have you considered that you are more on our side than the carebear's side?

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    23. I acknowledge your right to gank miners. It's the exactly same right any other player in EVE has. I am not trying to remove the right. Where did you get that idea?

      I am not actively trying to change any rules EVE currently has, even though there are quite a few I don't like. Changing those would change the whole game though, so it would be pointless trying to change them.

      I have previously stated that I agree with CODE at least some of it's goals, but not with the methods. This has not changed. That, and the fact I find CODE's RP side really annoying, especially when players mix the RP and RL so that I start to think whether they, meaning the players themselves, are really brainwashed. I'd rather have honest pirates instead of CODE.

      With these I see myself more as a Carebear and not in a least bit as codie, granted that I may have different view on the game than your general Carebear.

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  14. As always, a great read!

    Brave agents of the New Order, making EVE a better place for everyone :) No permit / No Ship / No Pod / No Exceptions! :)

    315! 315!

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    1. If you think this is great, you should try a phone book. I think you'd love it. I personally was not able to finish either one.

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    2. Aw, look, he took the time to tell us he didn't care enough to take the time to read! Adorable.

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    3. Maria again being as charming as she looks.

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    4. @Anon 5:31PM

      Thank you for your insightful post on the internet.

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    5. You're welcome, I'm glad it produced a comment :D

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  15. That Veers guy is pretty awesome

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  16. Interesting that Code thinks that IRL it's never the victims fault but in game it's always the victims fault.

    Is that really correct?

    Game is different but thoughts about the victim should be the same.

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    1. What are you talking about, Honken? It's simply not the victim's fault, no matter the medium. IRL, a rape victim does not deserve to be raped no matter how "provocatively" she dresses. And in-game, a ganker does not deserve death-threats no matter how thoroughly he dominates carebears in leet highsec pvp. Not sure where the misconception that we'd blame gankers for the rage of carebears comes from.

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    2. Its not really about blame its about mitigating risks, if I walk into compton with a sign that says 'I hate niggers' is it my fault if I get shot? No, but *maybe* I shouldn't have made myself such a big target, *maybe* i should have mitigated my risk.

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    3. "It's funny how people fill their ships with blingy mods while traveling AFK through highsec. They have no one but themselves to blame when their ships explode." -James 315, http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/06/kills-of-week_29.html

      If you say victim is never to blame, is James wrong, or are you?

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    4. There are no "victims" in a video game, Anonymous @ 2:37PM. It's make believe.

      It's a competitive PVP centered video game. If one does not wish to compete and risk loss, one can simply not play in the first place.

      If you are not careful and continue down the road you are walking, you end up as one of the "ganking is bullying" crowd and even the most boring of white-knights distanced themselves from that nonsense pretty quickly :)

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    5. It's all about the point of view really. If you take the RL point of view, then sure. There's no right or wrong, as long as it stays in the game. However, if you look it from inside the game, "RP" point of view if you will, then it's a different story.

      I don't really whether you, or others, consider me boring or not.

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