Previously, on MinerBumping... A team of elite New Order Agents went to work helping a miner named The Feet. After destroying a billion isk worth of his stuff, they invited him to a conference to teach him the Code.
When people think of the New Order, they think of class and sophistication. Agent Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri played Mendelssohn's Symphony No. 4 'Italian' to add a little atmosphere.
Despite the atmosphere, The Feet continued to act like a brute--like a bot-aspirant brute.
The Feet didn't recognize our Agents as the mentors they are. He saw them as the enemy. He could only think about the money he'd lost. He even accused our heroes of stealing his ship's rigs.
Seven years of mining in highsec didn't earn The Feet enough isk. He always wanted more. He couldn't bear the thought of having lost, well, however much time it takes to mine a billion isk of ore in highsec. However much time that is, it's far too long.
The answer to The Feet's quandary was a mining permit and a good attitude. Wallowing in bot-aspirancy for seven years left a stain on The Feet that wasn't so easily scrubbed, however. The New Order arrived not a moment too soon. Imagine if we didn't start saving highsec until a few years from now--it might have been too late.
Our Agents helped The Feet out by giving him a 15-minute break to think about what he'd done. It was a sort of global criminal timer for the channel. But The Feet was not silenced so easily. He retaliated with a bold masterstroke that forever altered the balance of power in New Eden:
...Either that, or he changed his personal standings and pretended it meant something. Miners do this all the time. But The Feet knew he was working against a team of Agents, not just one. And so, like jolly old Saint Nick putting a lump of coal in each stocking, he began sending out standings notifications to all of the Agents in the convo, each with a personalized message.
One for Agent Rabe Raptor...
One for Agent Kalorned...
One for Agent Tisiphone Dira...
...And one for Agent Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri.
The day's lesson with The Feet had ended on a dramatic note. A lot of people would look at those standings notifications and assume The Feet meant to cut ties with the New Order. They might also assume The Feet would never buy a mining permit or get right with the Code. Fair assumptions, perhaps. But remember The Feet's bio. We shouldn't assume ANYTHING without talking to The Feet first. Could a mining permit be in his future, after all?
No, there's no RL mentioned anywhere.ReplyDelete
Just another pathetic example of Codies looking for tears/rage. How long until they all get banned?ReplyDelete
Probably longer than this racist bot-aspirant miner who committed a bannable offense...Delete
@Ming Tso - If anything, CCP has proven that they only enforce their EULA in a very selective and strange manner. I was banned for no reason and literally told by CCP Falcon that there was no valid reason for my ban - while a player who is still lurking around to this day (and will stay unnamed) sent me a in game mail where he mentioned..Delete
"you best fucking hide and hope i never found out where the fuck you live or i am going to show up to your door with a fucking high powered rifle and shoot you, your ugly girlfriend and your stupid fucking cats you are always talking about". (100% word for word quote taken from original mail, had to save a copy of that one!).
I reported this to CCP. Player was "warned" and vanished for less then a week, and then was back with the above text IN HIS BIO. I reported this to CCP again, and they cleared his bio. He's still a active EVE player today.
They really need to update the policy. Real life harassment and death threats are not cool, but if you just lost a spaceship or are having a tough day - CCP understands. However, shooting others spaceships and stealing their ISK, while totally a basic mechanic of the game, will result in your ban if you get really good at it :)
Nice! Not only was that a prime example of authentic internet gibberish, it expresses a level of immaturity seldom seen in this day and age. The caps lock really made, it man.
8/10 left happy :P
This story reminds me of one such miner “new” to the game (>3months) who received a ban. He was ganked and immediately sent out an IRL death threat very similar to the message DJ received. However, when this miner was petitioned he was perma-banned. We knew this because his IRL friend who introduced him into the game months earlier asked us if we could somehow explain to CCP on his friend’s behalf that he didn’t understand the EULA and ultimately the repercussions that would follow with such a comment. Needless to say the victim who received the IRL death threat did not comply, but it wouldn’t have mattered anyway as IRL death threats resulted in immediate dismissal from the game regardless of everything, at least it did back then.Delete
Perhaps this means more death threats for content creators?
Perhaps the "content creators" should stop engaging in gameplay specifically designed to egg on people into making these RL death threats? Do the PvP in low/null, and stop the ganking and tearfest in highsec.Delete
Oh wow Veers ... you mean to say that it is also a woman's fault if she gets raped when she wears a short skirt? Because what you just posted is exactly the same type of sick reasoning.Delete
What fixation do you people have on rape?Delete
Why don't you ask if it's victim's fault if he gives his wallet to stranger for safe keeping, only to find the stranger took off with his wallet while he was elsewhere?
Or if it's the victim's fault if he goes to the biggest guy of a biker gang and tell him that he has ugly bike and leather vest and then gets beaten for that?
What is amusing about both of your examples - is that in the eyes of the law, in both cases the "victim" is at zero fault. Sure, it's not smart to hand your cash to a stranger on the understanding he protect it for you, or to insult someone who appears prone to acts of violence - but that's just the details. Like it or not, that's the job of what we call "society" - there's never going to be a shortage of really stupid people out there doing really stupid things and putting themselves into really stupid situations. We cannot simply allow people to steal from or beat these stupid people - of course.
Stealing someone's wallet is theft, punishable by jail/prison time in most all countries in this world. Beating someone is assault and battery, and punishable by the same. You're always going to have stupid people making mistakes that land them into bad situations, situations where theft or assault takes place - but the actual *fault* lies with the person doing the stealing or beating, not the person who is stolen from or beaten.
On a related note - I have been presented with dozens of situations in the real world where someone "trusted me" with large amounts of cash or property or access without knowing me very well.
I never stole anything from these people and lived up to the trust placed in me, but what you are saying is that if I had stolen their money I would be able to sucessfully argue "Well, it's sorta his fault for trusting me in the first place, right guys?"
I've also been insulted and told that I have a ugly vehicle or clothing - to which I did not respond to by assault and battery. Are you telling me that if I chose to beat the person who just insulted my car, that I could successfully argue "Well, I would probably not have broken the guys jaw and sent him to the hospital, but he made fun of my car - so it's somewhat his fault, right?"
Wow such anger, this dude is playing the wrong game.ReplyDelete
Plus the completely expected knee jerk defense of a foul mouthed Carebear from Beers. Doesn't he know the Code always wins?
That's what CODE wants you to believe. And you're buying it lol.Delete
The only thing that code is good for is ganking people and pissing them off. Perhaps Riptard should be made aware of this so the code bot monkey fags can be banned for pushing another player "over the edge."Delete
Only in the twisted and simple minds of players like "Butthurt Miner" can a player have their internet spaceship destroyed by another player and then go on a racist foul mouthed childish rant (and toe the line that most players would call "Real life harassment) - and then have the fault rest with the person who destroyed their spaceship... in a game about destroying spaceships.Delete
Sorry, buddy. Losing your spaceship does not ever justify racist ranting. I wish you nothing but the best of luck trying to defend this type of behavior, however. I play a lot of video games and get roflstomped by other players from time to time myself, as I am sure most of us do - how we react to the very nature of competitive gaming is what defines us. I wish my enemies a good fight and share a smile with them, and sometimes even learn a thing or two from them. It's a much more adult, healthy, and productive way to deal with gaming in general.
In regards to Ripard - he's still whining about everything over at the eve Reddit on a pretty much daily basis, you should stop in and troll him. He's a much softer and lulzy target then you are going to get from the New Order :-)
Hey DJ, this adblock thing you told me about isn't working so well. I have to manually block every comment veers makes. Thankfully I've gotten pretty good at doing it without reading them, so I still get the benefit of (after a couple minutes of cleaning up) a comment section without him in it. But it'd be nice if this could automatically block the comments made under his name preemptively. Any advice on how to make it do that?Delete
Strange. Mine just auto filters everything from him.
There's plenty of "filtering" options out there, though - just fire off a fast google search for featuring the browser of your choice and the phrase "block content from user" and you'll stumble onto something that should work well for you.
Welcome to a Veers free internet! Even the Veers impostors got old after a while, it's nice to just enjoy the forum without his ranting and sperging :)
Maria: Just disabled all my filters for a second and tested - my setup is blocking any post with the word "Veers" in the user name section, and it's working great. After turning it back on, here's a example of a filtered post:Delete
Any chance you could go to your "options" in adblocker, "Manually edit your filters", and copy/paste me the one which mentions Veers by name? I could figure out the syntax on my own, but the rules are pretty obscure and I don't really want to generate it on my own when I could find a workaround. Thanks in advance, looking forward to a Veers free internet.Delete
Ugh, safari is proving such a pain in the ass to work with, but it's what I've got atm and I don't want to switch over entirely to chrome just for this. DJ, do you think you could do me a big favor and copy/paste the filtering rule which blocks comment blocks made by user "veers belvar" here? I've been trying to put together a rule for that (figured I'd build it manually, since the addon can't generate it through the UI), but the syntax is a bitch to figure out. Thanks preemptively for the help.Delete
I view that as an in-game threat, which is perfectly legal.ReplyDelete
I view that as the sign of a player who needs to put down the video game, take a deep breath and go step outside for a while.ReplyDelete
Really, I cannot comprehend how anyone gets so worked up... over a video game :)
Butthurt, you really gotta mix it up a little more. You are getting really boring these days. I miss the old nonsense rants, those were at least fun. You're just no good when you try to make any type of serious point :(
boy do these care bears really over-estimate their value to the game. Every one of them bleats on about 'lost revenue' because if they quit, CCP will simply collapse.ReplyDelete
Eve loses worthless high sec'ers all the time. The severe learning curve, the ADD of the modern gamer....all contribute far more to un-subs than gankers. They come and go, while the emergent game play and PvP nature of the game attract new players.
Miners, you are nothing to Eve Online. CCP could as easily seed markets with ore rather than have brainless miners do it (usually while not engaging in a single other element of content). The contribution to Eve of miners is about the same as just seeding markets magically. It's no more interactive or useful to have players in an MMO not interested in anything but AFK'ing a useless career path, than it is to simply populate the universe with ore just like it's populated with NPC's.
Funny how CCP only seems to ban the griefers. Apparently they know their financials, and realize that the PvE players contribute a lot more to the game than a few repugnant griefers.Delete
Solly, you are nothing to EVE Online. Who would even notice if you did not play anymore?Delete
@SollyLama - Well said! One of the most telling signs of the carebear is the unwarranted self importance, just ask them about it :)Delete
The simple reality is that it would take many thousands of players dropping subscriptions in order to really even make a ping on CCP's radar.
Of course, carebears are a dime a dozen and generally suffer from some of the lowest rates of player retention this game has (CCP has flat out admitted this in the past, hence countless dev hours being wasted on more hand-holding spoonfed "content" such as missions and incursions to try to keep them happy) - but it's never going to really matter much.
All of the original greats who actually created EVE in the first place are long gone. What we have left is a highly insulated company with the rights to EVE online and the desperate strapping of more industry level sub-standard PVE content to the sandbox to hang onto their jobs as long as they can. When it comes to a true "sandbox" MMO there is a huge vacuum right now, and we can all rest assured that another company will fill it at some point. It's not going to be Elite, and I don't think it's going to be SC - but time will tell.
If you have doubts, simply compare the quality of PVE content in any successful modern MMO to what passes for the same content in EVE online. Hell, if my play experience consisted of staring at a rock for 10 hours or shooting the same static group of braindead NPC's in order to make a imaginary number go up so I could purchase bigger ships to ... shoot the same static groups of braindead NPC's - I would have quit a long time ago :-)
The sandbox is what it's all amount, and the emergent unscripted content that comes from it. CCP has lost it's way, and pretty much the only way they can keep the doors open these days is to cater to the children who require their content spoon-fed to them.
"What it's all about"* - pardon my error there :)Delete
So do you code monkeys sollylamma...Delete
Individually, I am just a single account, a single toon playing- so it's quite correct that my absence wouldn't affect Eve Online. The difference is, I recognize this fact whereas care bears continue with their inflated sense of self and delusion of importance.Delete
What makes my contribution to Eve matter is that I play with other people, doing the sort of content (PvP) that drives the game forward. I fight in large fleets, taking and defending sov mostly. All the biggest battles that CCP has gotten new interest in their game because of- I took part in. I also took part in things like the Live Events that CCP hosts.
That is what makes me, even if only a little, actually important to Eve Online. Whereas miners as a whole could simply be replaced with seeding markets with no ill effect on the overall game. My impact on Eve is that of the collective community that both puts the Massively in MMO, but also drives the living history within the game's lore.
Solly: Well said!Delete
You never see "carebear mines 1 billion trit" or "incursion carebear shoots a million red crosses" making news anywhere. Like any players, those of who who create content can be replaced - but we are the ones who create history.
Now... as you sat miners worthless, and they give nothing to the game, do they then take something away from the game?Delete
You seem to have enough disgust against them to write a wall of text how insignificant they are.Maybe you should study your emotions, and find out where that anger comes from. Then think again if they really are that insignificant.
Point of game is not to make news, point of game is to have fun. And the code griefers are making it harder for highsec PvE players to enjoy the game. This means they are doing it wrong.Delete
The only 'anger' is that which you project upon me. The anger is clearly your own. I have enjoyed Eve for years. I've enjoyed it 'as intended', with a single acct, a single toon, and accepting the consequences of being at one point a low sec pirate, and now a sov alliance 'grunt'. I have lost most of my stuff to gate camps, been ganked by war dec'ers, and have slam dunked many another player in return.Delete
Even losing my ship, my pod, my stuff- is fun. It's just a game. I enjoy Eve for what it is, not just 'winning' at it. Not once have I taken to local to cry, spout racist or homophobic venom. Not once have I petitioned CCP to keep other players from blowing me to smithereens. I do not assume that cowardly care bears are actually that way in real life, all the while my actual personality is accused of being everything from a nazi to sociopathic. I, in short, have never mistaken a video game for real life as care bears do.
Further, the game is not 'harder' due to ganking. Those of us with more than 10 minutes of time in New Eden see just how sadly easy, dumbed down, and childish Eve has become-- all because of the weakness of care bears and new subscribers that cannot tolerate loss, difficulty, or challenge.Delete
For many of us 'bittervets' Eve was a destination. A place we came to after trying childrens' theme parks like WoW. A place where Big Boy Rules were in effect, not the constant mewling of the terminally weak.
My first PvP loss was to a nerd-raging FC in my own fleet. I lost everything I owned to a low sec gate camp. My first corp CEO stole everything and ran.
But I saw all this as fucking AWESOME. Awesome that there was a place where this could all happen. A place where the term 'sandbox' held meaning. Where the huge time sink that is any MMO, actually was worth it. Years later I am still in New Eden. And frankly, the only thing that makes me question that decision, that investment, is the dumbing down and general softness that is the care bear getting their collective way.
Simply put, care bears are the very root of evil in Eve Online. The destruction of a once unique (if brutal) game world that existed nowhere else.
Stick to low/null and you won't need to deal with "carebears." If you actually enjoyed the game you wouldn't spend all day in highsec trying to piss people off. Get a shrink.Delete
Again, you clearly cannot separate a video game from reality. I am not a member of CODE. My character is a null sec PvP pilot. I simply support CODE's efforts at both role playing-- in a role playing game-- and as emergent and unscripted gameplay in a game that at one time, was the very definition of it.Delete
As for directing my in game actions. Request Denied. In fact, I will hasten to offer my many millions of SP to gank along with CODE just for the giggles of it, when I am not otherwise engaged in actual content.
Care bears, and their constant mewling, affect us all. In the years I have played Eve, most of the major changes have come at the expense of the sandbox and actual challenging gameplay.
Not all of us are so bad at video games that shooting rocks while watching tv is required, nor wanted. This was MY game long before the current generation of sadly inept gamers came to troll New Eden with their lack of skill and lack of imagination. For just shy of half of Eve's entire existence, I have been a part of New Eden. I will be there long after the WoW-crowd has cried itself to sleep then quit for an easier game.
Solly - I can only assume you are speaking to "Veers" (I have my browser setup to be a 100% Veers free zone) and can only advise you not bother.Delete
He is unable to hold any form of adult conversation at all, and simply not worth your time. Ever see the movie "Wargames?" Trust me, the same concept applies with Veers - the only way to win is not to play :) He's been butt hurt ever since he made a complete fool out of himself on comms with me and some other CODE agents a few months ago, and has literally spent every free moment since trying to feel better about it :)
@ Everyone - If you need help configuring your browser to be a 100% "Veers" free zone, just let me know. Trust me, the internet is a far better place without his inane rambling.
More garbage from Solly. My PvE play in high has no impact on your PvP play in null. The reason for nerfs is because you clowns come to suicide gank in high for rage and tears. If you would stick to null, there wouldn't be any nerfs. But that's impossible for you - your whole gameplay revolves around harassing highsec PvE players. As I said - get a shrink.Delete
You folks should listen to DJ. He has the right approach. CODE members are cowards - they use a video game to bully PvE players to compensate for deep feelings of personal inadequacy. Fundamentally you folks are cowards, afraid to fight real competition, just looking for easy kills, for rage, and for tears. You best block me, as the longer you engage me the more foolish you look, and the deeper your despair will get. Run away and hide - that is truly yer only hope.Delete
"The only 'anger' is that which you project upon me. The anger is clearly your own"Delete
I am not angry. You seem to be angry, not me. You are confused with your emotions somehow.
"The contribution to Eve of miners is about the same as just seeding markets magically"
"Care bears, and their constant mewling, affect us all"
You are contradicting yourself.
Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it:ReplyDelete
The New Order at work in real life
Start News Article (CNN)
Tallahassee, Florida -- Gunshots rang out in the library at Florida State University where 3 people were shot and hundreds more took cover between the book cases until the police shot and killed the gunman outside.
The gunman was yelling the phrases "Praise be to James 315, the savior of highsec," and "The bot aspariants in the library must be ganked for the sake of highsec" before he was taken down by police.
The gunman wore a shirt praising something called "The Code." People that knew the gunman described him as a sociopath who had a hard time distinguishing reality from the fantasy world of a game called Eve Online.
"The people who refer to themselves as Agents of the New Order are a strange group of people. They seem to delight in harassing people within the game environment. It was only a matter of time before one or more of them to try their griefing tactics in real life" said Butthurt Miner who knows the gunman only as D400. When asked about the New Order's tactics, Butthurt replied "Their claim to fame is that they suicide gank people in the game. That means that they blow up someone's internet spaceship while in a high security star system. As such, the in-game police show up and blow up the offender's ship. Hence the suicide part of the gank. It's nice to know when they do this in real life, they won't be able to do it again."
"There has been a shooting in the library, stay where you are," said a man speaking over the loudspeaker, as captured in a cell phone video posted online. "We will be coming to each floor and clearing it, and taking care of anybody."
The real law enforcement officers from the city and the university responded within three to five minutes according to the mayor. Once there, the officers ordered the gunman to drop his weapon. Instead of complying, he fired at one of the officers. The officers returned fire and killed the gunman.
News Article Continues
There we go! More non-sense ranting and you got a chuckle out of me.ReplyDelete
Stick with what you are good at, buddy <3
And in another incident...ReplyDelete
News Article Start (DailyMail)
Two children dead and an adult and child wounded in suspected New Jersey murder-suicide attempt
New Jersey State Police was called out to a multiple shooting incident at a south New Jersey home at 9am on Thursday. When police arrived on scene at the house of Loyalanon (a.k.a. Wolf Soprano), they were treated to a grizzly scene. Inside, they found a boy, a girl, and a man shot to death. A woman and a girl who were also shot but still alive was also found by police.
Police spokesperson Capt. Steven Jones said that the incident was reported by family members inside the home, but they did not hear what took place. "Right now, we suspect the man shot his family and then committed suicide a a real life suicide gank from a online game called EvE Online."
The woman and girl who survived the shooting are at the hospital and are listed in critical condition. No further information is available.
News Article Continues
Now there's the random nonsense ranting and substandard grade school level "trolling" that we've grown to expect from you, Butthurt. Glad you are back to your roots. <3ReplyDelete
thought d400 was canadian?ReplyDelete
Oh please, if someone's self important here, it's CODE :PReplyDelete
Electron Master??? Are you a double forked dildo for CUNTS AND BROWN-EYES or just a little tiny Silver Bullet???ReplyDelete
Satire is usually more subtle than this. Take another shot at it.ReplyDelete
who said anything about subtle BIATCH, GO FUCK YOU MOTHER, and SUCK YOUR FATHER....oh sorry You probably already have kiddie porn around from fucking your own children or younger cousins. THATS RIGHT I SAID IT YOU FUCKING FOUL MOUTHED NIGGER, JEW, SANDNIGGER, NIP, SLANTEYE, HILLBILLY, SANCTOMONIUS CUM SLURPING DICK STICK. what are you going to do about? BOOM ! more GANK Im winning!!!!!!ReplyDelete
290: The art of posting is lost on some :PReplyDelete
This story reminds me of the time Veers said anyone who makes RL threats and calls people n-words they should get banned.ReplyDelete
The Code ALWAYS Wins!!!! ALWAYS!!!!ReplyDelete
ALWAYS AND FOREVER :)Delete
Hows the newly married couple getting along?Delete
And that, tells us all we need to know about the person in real life, behind the player of the average care bear. Racist, obsessed with violent gay sex, and angry to the point of uncontrolled rage. My teenage kid exhibits far more class and maturity that you. You are, by all measures, a despicable person far in excess of anyone that role plays a villain in a game. I genuinely feel sorry for your parents for having failed so badly as to allow someone like this to exist. They must be so proud to have reared someone that is fully defined by such atrocious thoughts and language. You sicken me- not as a role player pretending to be something evil, like a pro-slavery Amarrian- but as an actual human that is nothing but the living embodiment of pathetic. The worst kind of human. Not one that is 'bad' in a video game where the advertising byline is 'be the villain' but as a person in the real world with an internet connection but not the maturity or civility to handle such a responsibility.ReplyDelete
I dunno about him, but i stretch balls for a fee. Come one come all and call me to schedule an appointment. The number is 1-855-437-3825 and the fee is USD$30.00. Remember, for your protection (and ours), we sterilize the equipment after every customer.ReplyDelete
Well said Solly.ReplyDelete
I rarely read the comments these days on MB. It's all the same idiotic crap. I think I'd actually hate to meet some of these people in RL. Raging Fucktards.
Oh well... it's their cross to carry. I don't have any contact with people like that in game anymore. Low sec is much more pleasant.
Hey! DJ.. good to see you more active on the blog. Do you play CoD or Halo? The death of my 360 has given me the perfect excuse to get an xboxone for myself @ xmas. Once that happens, it that will be the "flavour of the month" for awhile.
Hey hey Colonel! Good to see ya. Took a bit of time away from the blog due to RL job and a massive project, but now that work is complete I find myself with a little bit of extra time.ReplyDelete
Just been lurking around hanging with the "anti-gankers" as a alt and making good friends for later lulz (My god, you think their comments here are insane - their "private" comms literally will make your brain bleed), puttering around in Archeage offering ethical gold doubling (with amazing levels of success) and watching a lot of Netflix.
No CoD or Halo for me, really stopped playing any first person shooters after... Unreal 2004? It's been a while lol.
Drop me a mail anytime, bro. email@example.com :-)
So well said, I applaud you. Leave it to the carebear to be unable to even troll with any degree of style or decorum and take the most lazy approach possible (random caps lock screaming throwing around words they feel are "offensive") - it's like the fine art of subtly is just lost on this current generation.
It's rather sad to see how the last 5 years have been in regards to CCP, however - but understandable. The company is a fraction of the size it once was and will never fully recover from the massive blunder of WoD - really the only hope they have to keep the game alive and keep drawing a paycheck is the gradual conversion of the sandbox into the theme park.
I strongly believe that a giant vacuum is being created, however - one that needs to be filled with what EVE was for the first 6 years - cold, brutal, hard, unforgiving, and not to be fucked with. There's simply too many mature gamers who cannot tolerate the mind-numbing stupidity of pretty much every MMO on the market - something will rise to take EVE's place. It won't be Elite, and from what I can tell it's not going to be Star Citizen - but I have hope something wonderful is just around the next corner.
you little girls are still going? get out of moms basementReplyDelete
It's called content creation, bro. Real EVE players have been here for many years, and realize that 99% of the game takes place without ever having to log in.Delete
I hope you figure that out soon.
These carebears really are without class. Truly disgusting language.ReplyDelete
Carebears, if you think what you are spewing here or in-game chat is in any way acceptable then I invite you to show you mother or aunt or grandmother or sisters what you have posted. Tell them this is how you react to losing an internet spaceship, tell them that you are proud of what you have written. I can assure you that your female relatives will look at you in a new light thereafter.
And then let them listen to a bonus room session by Erotica1 and his CODE buddies. See what they think about that one. You jokers get the rage and tears you try so hard to elicit, and then engage in victim blaming. Shameful and pathetic. Grow up.Delete
And Veers really thinks that it's our fault that they spew homophobic, racist bile all over the place. They're the victims.Delete
The mind of the carebear, people.
If you think that bonus room was ok, then there's something wrong with you. Honestly.Delete
Bonusrooms... that same old garbage. Old news. It happened. And it was dealt with.... months ago. There has been no violations since except in your minds, which means very little. I had never heard about the "bonusroom" until I read it here... I think that goes for the majority of the players in this game.Delete
The only people that seem to care about flogging that dead horse are a few people, with to much time on their hands, and a personal hate a few people in code, but had no involvement in the whole damn thing.
As much as you like to preach about the "ban" veers, there has been none since, and Code is still very much active... like I said, old news.
Well said! It's simply a by product of the Ripard Teg / CCP Falcon era of EVE online, where the carebear is encouraged to have a very strong opinion about a subject that they know little about, and the facts never are allowed to get in the way of a good story. One only need dig into the most "famous" of the Bonus Room events, which of course was the Erotica 1 / Sohkar session.
It does not not a rocket scientist to actually talk to the people involved and realize that the truth is a totally different story. Sohkar lost his cool and raged out on comms much to the amusement of many people - who here in EVE has never lost his cool and raged out? In fact, the carebear is quite good at defending this type of rage - after all, he was "bullied into" this reaction, right? Wrong. Sohkar actually has class. One day after his bonus room, he manned up and apologized for his reaction and racist ranting. He apologized to the entire EVE community, the apology was accepted, he "got back" what he lost in the first place - and the entire incident was forgotten. No one cared about it, not our "victim", not "Erotica 1", not the "New Order", no one.
Then, literally three months later - Ripard Teg became desperate for attention and stumbled onto some old news. Of course, the facts of the story did not fit the narrative he needed - so he simply ignored them.
Sohkar then tried to reach out to Ripard, and let him know that he was wrong, he was not a "victim", this entire event was forgotten and that Ripard was getting the story all wrong in the first place. Ripard Teg refused to speak to Sohkar.
Enter the carebears of EVE online. Due to having nothing to do except shoot the same rock for endless hours - the carebear tends to live through the actions of those who actually create the content, and since they are playing the same game as the content creators - they feel somehow involved. Ripard's ranting and story provided them with just what they wanted right when they wanted it; a distraction, and a witch hunt. Ripard picked his audience well - the carebear is generally a very poor EVE player and has fallen pray to scamming, awoxing and destruction much more then the average player due to their choice of play style.
Of course, during this whole time Ripard Teg made a buttload of cash via his practice of selling advertisement on his website (Say what you will about the New Order, but you will clearly notice a lack of such practices here) and he also was able to achieve a victory against another player that he simply did not like.
There's a brief history lesson from someone who was actually there. Now, once you fast forward to today and learn more details that none of us knew at the time (For example: Did you know that Ripard Teg and CCP Falcon were friends and spent a long time in the same corporation, long before Falcon getting hired or Ripard getting elected to the CSM?) any logical adult will come to the same conclusion - we are now living in the era of the witch hunt, where time honored traditions such as scamming, awoxing, and stealing (which are a huge part of EVE online and one of the things that makes the game "special") can be met with a permaban regardless of any rules - all it takes is a good poster like Ripard to paint a one sided and mostly false version of events and get the masses all worked up about something they don't even understand in the first place.
If you find yourself having a strong opinion about this incident, and you have never spoken to Erotica 1, never spoken to Sohkar, or were not actually there for the incident - I highly recommend that you simply consider the possibility that you might have been spoonfed a version of events designed to manipulate your emotions to serve the goals of one of the most disliked and unpopular CSM members of history while putting a few extra USD in his wallet at the same time.
Hope everyone has a great weekend.
Yes, sweep it aside as "you don't know anything". Out of sight, out of mind. Scamming, awoxing and stealing are one thing, but in Bonus Room it was taken too far.Delete
As I said, if you think Bonus Room was ok, there's something wrong with you.
I don't sweep it aside at all. I encourage and support Erotica1 and the bonus room.Delete
1) no one went into a bonus room or participated against their will. Those players sought out something and only later decided they didn't like it. They could have not played, or quit playing. No one forced anything upon them. They were not taken hostage and forced to do anything they didn't agree to.
2) those people are cheaters at Eve Online. They tried to cheat the game mechanics and economy by essentially buying gold. They should have been banned. They are literally no better than bots that accomplish the exact same thing- free isk.
I have zero sympathy for people that cannot be bothered to undock a ship and actually PLAY Eve.
Even the whining miner undocks a ship to make money, but those in a bonus room couldn't even be bothered to do that. They are all just bots with voices. All Erotica1 did was punish them for that behavior, which I personally think was doing a service to the community.
I find it strange that the same miners and care bears that use 'just trying to make an honest buck' arguments against CODE would support players that refuse to make an honest buck by trying to get free isk. People that went to the bonus room trying to cheat at Eve should be a common enemy to CODE and care bear alike.
If there is any common ground between CODE and care bear, it's that both actually undock a ship in New Eden and take their chances. Those in bonus rooms thumb their noses at both groups, and the game itself.
Were Bonus Room recordings published in the internet? If they were, was the BR participant asked for permission to do that? Did the participant have an option to get the recording off the air?Delete
They voluntarily spoke in public TeamSpeak servers though. If I yell embarrassing things on the street, and someone records me in a public space and puts that online, I don't have the right to demand that the recording be taken down just because it makes me look bad. Bonus Room participants consented to be heard saying the things they said, when they chose to say them in someone else's teamspeak server.Delete
Yes, yes, and yes.
Not like it's in any way required, of course.
@Anonymous 1:35 PMDelete
Leave the personal attacks out of it, please - lest you become another shit poster. If you disagree with someone's point, that's one thing - that makes for good conversation. Insulting those who share a different view on an event then you by just declaring there is "something wrong with them" adds nothing to the conversation, and only seeks to show you have very little in the way of rational thought or opinion to share - simply a strong emotional "feeling".
...he says, and throws a personal attack right back.Delete
Anyway, since you don't see anything wrong with that, I don't see my opinion on you changing. With that, I don't see any reason to continue having any conversations in this blog, and will take my leave. Goodbye o/
Ehhhm. Maybe I should read responses with some thought begore jumping the gun. Maybe too emotional, yea, but that's me. Sorry.Delete
Well, so far I have only your word for that the publishing had the victim's consent, and that he could've asked for removal of the file. I'll take that word for now.Delete
If the case was really that, I sincerely apologize for my insult. It was my belief that the victim was ridiculed or humiliated against his will, so please forgive me for that.
If you were now lying to me, I wish all kinds of nasty things to happen to you, like a flat tire or bird droppings on your shoulders.
It's cool. I'm only trying to gentle suggest you disagree with the point, the topic, the thing being discussed - not the person behind the keyboard.Delete
I could have phrased myself better as well, should have said "only seeks to show you may have very little in the way of rational thought or opinion to share on this particular topic".
I apologize if my comment came out sounding like I was attacking your intelligence. Was not my intention, and my wording was poor. Don't give up on this blog, there's plenty of fun material and great people here - you just have to learn how to block/ignore the obvious trolls and shit posters.
I've had a bird poop on my shoulder once, didn't notice it at first and then when I did it was like "WHAA?" Darn pigeons XD
God, I hope so. I'm only still in eve (after the banwave and CCP referring to gankers and other people who do highsec pvp as "griefers" in their internal memos) because there aren't any other interesting alternatives. The moment anything that seems like what eve used to be comes along, I'm outta here. There's simply too much else to do to give my money to a company which treats its most mature, dedicated players are "griefers".ReplyDelete
One does not simplyReplyDelete
Use reason and logic to debate carebears
Maybe if you actually tried using reason and logic and not fanaticism and propagandaDelete
Anon @ 1.39. what's the point? Believe it or not, many many reasoned and logical debate topics have been tabled on MinerBumping over the past 2 or so years, but you fuzzy wuzzy carebears will simply move the goal posts again & spew hate & childish insults. You really aren't interested in a reasoned discussion because you know you could not win one. all you care about is your insular little bubble of space, MMO be dammned!Delete
But since you brought it up, here's a logical & reasoned one for you: CCP themselves sell EvE to players to "Be the villian" & have created the functionality within the game to allow ganking in high sec. So what exactly is your problem when some Eve players choose to play the game in a way as fully intended and encouraged by CCP?
They also allow mining in high sec, they have created the functionality to autopilot a ship. So what exactly is your problem when some Eve players choose to play the game in a way as fully intended and encouraged by CCP?Delete
You think you know me since I'm cassified as a carebear? You can't do that kind of generaliztion, the carebear "community" is much too large for that.
Of course I can't win discussions. Even if I did, Codies wouldn't acknowledge it since "CODE ALWAYS WINS!!!! ALWAYS!!!!". Winning is not even my goal.
Now, to answer your question: My problem with CODE is that it's mostly a religious organization, mixing it's RP with RL. I have a problem them trying to force me into their "only proper way to play EVE". I have a problem with the attitude many CODE members have. I
I am not trying to change rules of the game. I am mostly challenging the CODE doctrine.
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It's called "Tounge-In-Cheek" humor. There's a bunch of lulz to be had by using a seemingly "religious" structure as a basis for actions in a silly game about internet spaceships. Don't take things so serious, loosen up and have some fun.Delete
On a unrelated note, let's get real - carebears don't have any "community". The concept of any form of team work or giving back to others is fully lost, and you have to be at the keyboard in the first place to actually have a community.
The problem we have is not with mining in high-sec. The problem we have is with a entire generation of players who feel that somehow they are special snowflakes that the rules should not apply to. The entitled mostly AFK whining masses who don't understand that piracy, combat, extortion, explosions and tears are what has kept EVE running all these years.
Frankly, some of us get tired of watching the carebears ruin the game. Slowly but surely, the sandbox is being replaced with theme park content to try to hang onto the carebears and players who just "want to be left alone." EVE totally jumped the shark when it starting trying to become WOW in space, and it's been a slow slide into oblivion ever since.
Myself and many others actually really enjoy this game, and we will not go down without taking as many carebears with us as humanly possible. Also, it's great fun to hunt carebear :)
*Edit: Same comment I made a moment ago, but forgot to spell check. Fixed* :)
While mining and autopiloting is allowed, I'm for one think that autopilots can be blown to bits if one desires, its EVE, you can kill who you wish, when you wish - just be aware of game mechanics to get away with it.Delete
I had my 1st blown ship+capsule in Rancer while autopiloting - I was new, didn't know better - but understood that while the mechanic is there you take a risk by doing so... if not CCP would make autopilot warp to 0.
As for mining, its the most boring activity, get to a rock, wait, wait, wai... no interaction, and nothing else to do while you mine... terrible - it almost begs to go AFK, which isn't the point of playing a MMO. Miners should encourage CCP to make mining less AFK friendly and more fun (hacking mini game I though was good addition) instead of wasting energy complaining about losing some pixels while they weren't even looking at them.
I see the "Tounge-In-Cheek" of the High -sec saviour and its followers. The more I read, and understand the why/how/where the more it keeps the game alive. I live in wormholes, and one attractive of them is the lack of local and sense that danger can appear right next to you anytime (a cloaky proteus is always there lurking) - its space, and space should be dangerous and scary. Embrace the danger and play (here, play, its a game).
On another note... after some time out of game (thanks fail Archeage), have a young Gallente pilot ready for Code enforcing, been just a reader for too long!
But I'm such a serious gamer :(Delete
I get humor, but only so far. When people don't break the character even when discussing RL stuff, it gets annoying, and even worrying.
Anyway, "community" was in quotes just because there's no one community, only tons of small corporations. And NPC corps. That's why I don't really like generalization, I don't really fit into your idea of a carebear.
I know what's the reason behind CODE, and I agree with the goal (in a nut shell: make highsec more insecure). I don't think CODEs actions are the right tool to accomplish that goal. Not that I would be taking any action at all, so I guess it's better than nothing.
I think fixing the game would be up to CCP, but if everything I think is wrong in EVE would be fixed, it'd be a completely different game. You know, fantasy setting, night elves and orcs etc.
Just kidding, I have not even played WOW, I don't know if it's better than Eve :P
"Same comment I made a moment ago"
Oh, and I take it that you went around that ban of yours :P
Naturally Codies don't see anything wrong with their actions. Even when the company that runs the game treats them as "griefers" they take themselves as the most mature players. Even after banhammer has swung they claim having done nothing wrong.ReplyDelete
"Hearing only what you want to hear, and knowing only what you've heard".
Since suicide ganking has always existed in Eve, and no one is banned simply for doing it, your statement that CCP treats them as griefers doesn't hold water. It was CCP that created the mechanics that allow suicide ganking. It exists because they invented it.ReplyDelete
There is in fact, nothing wrong with suicide ganking. It is part of the game, and the role of 'bad guy' in Eve is not only one of personal opinion, but also part of the Role Playing element in an Role Playing Game.
This is what confuses care bears. They believe the only role is legitimate is the one that they play- whiny, wimpy, and useless. However, CCP encourages all roles including 'be the villain' in their own marketing.
CODE is role playing....dread....in a role playing game. They are far more interesting than boring, unimaginative, and wholly ineffectual care bears AFK'ing their way thru a game. They chose a role to play, and play it without breaking character for the most part.
That is, by definition, the entire point of an RPG. That care bears lack even the most basic ability to do the same, much less comprehension skills to understand it- the fault certainly doesn't lie with CODE.
That was Maria who stated that, complain to her. I just used that statement :PReplyDelete
It's been my experience, Anon@2:06&1:53. Despite CCP's tragicomic slide towards carebearism lately, my interactions with actual players have followed the same patterns. The most toxic, ignorant, inbred-seeming wastes of protein I've encountered have all been carebears. Most of the positive interactions I've had have been with pvp-centered folks, whether in highsec or out of it. Hell, I had a lovely conversation with the goonswarm "recruiter" who scammed me out of my gnosis, and he helped me find a corp which was a better fit for me (after he'd taken all my money, and confirmed I wasn't going to be too butthurt about it). The minerbumping channel is full of lovely conversation, and the occasional song or bit of poetry. The antiganking channel (before I was banned for "being a codemonkey") was full of conversations about how they'd love to apply electric currents to the testicles of those who beat them in the game.ReplyDelete
The comparison is stark, and it does not favor carebears. So, even if (gasp!) it places me in disagreement with ccp, my opinion stands: gankers are the most mature, dedicated players I've ever met in eve. I'm honored to stand by them, and I'm disgusted that ccp would place the whining of bot-wannabes over the playstyles of the best part of their userbase. But if they really don't want my dollar, then they won't have it.
I have a totally unrelated question. Why do you consider high-sec miners in general and bots in particular harmful to you? This sure is a frequently asked question so you will easily provied me with a link that will explain everything.ReplyDelete
Here you go. tl;dr: carebears lobby ccp to remove risk from the game, which removes content, which makes the game worse.
Maria, how's that Carebear corp you're in doing?Delete
Mining/industry? (http://evelocal.com/quote/203779264) and no permit in the bio... sounds legit.
I hope you're not trying to awox the corp... :P
"I hope you're not trying to awox the corp"Delete
I hope she is!
I'm seeing how the other side lives. As some of the carebears here have taught me, can't talk about what you haven't personally experienced. So far...I'm underwhelmed.Delete
Maybe someone should warn the corp leader ;P
If you like. I think it might be harassment to follow me around and try to prevent my standing in my corp, but that standard might not apply to carebears. If nothing else, it'd be a good test case. Do me a favor and copy me on the evemail?Delete
I didn't say I was going to do it, I said maybe someone should :oDelete
Ok, i got the idea, wall of text was enormous by the way. Killing pods with smartbombs was nerfed too, wasnt it? Anyway thanks for the answer, sorry for getting you into trouble.Delete
This post reminds me of the time Veers claimed to be an elite pvper because he took a T1 cruiser out on a nullsc roam. Now-a-days Veers doesn't claim the elite status but instead goes on and on about how fucking great his boring ass pve incursions are.ReplyDelete
I got news for you Veers:
1. i love real life harassment. it make my cock fill with blood
2. emotional torture is fun when you are in control
3. people like you beg for humiliation. you are a lawyer and a tea party member.
4. you are one giant bonus room victim
Veers you are a bad person in game and on the forums which leads one to believe you are a sucker in real life. I even have proof of this
Typical CODE response. You guys are the lowest of the low.ReplyDelete
Veers this doesn't change the fact you want people concorded just for bumping. Even your AG buddies aren't that stupidReplyDelete
Awh, now I feel bad if I blew your cover :(ReplyDelete
And now I missed the correct reply button tooDelete
If only the apathetic care bears of High Sec could unite behind a CSM candidate...Delete
Haha, don't worry about it. I really haven't been having that much fun in the corp (we got wardecced, and despite my plaintive cries of "let's go get 'em", everyone just stopped playing for a week), and if I did get kicked for being a Code supporter it'd actually be pretty funny. And it'd be a good occasion to test whether the rules (about following people around and harassing them) apply equally to gankers and carebears. So whether or not you or someone else decides to try warning the corp ceo about how eeeeeevil I supposedly am, no harm done.Delete
I am not sure how it'd fall under harassment if someone warned the CEODelete
You don't understand how trying to get someone from minerbumping kicked from their corp in-game might count as harassing them?Delete
If you put it that way...Delete
well, I can't do anything about it now :/
Ha! Mind sending me a copy of the mail as well? For, uh, archival reasons.Delete
Eh, I'm not sending the mail. What I meant that I can't delete my posts here so that others would not.Delete
Besides, I would not be so careless that I'd tell you who I am :o
Can you two stop flirting and get to the good parts?Delete
Keep your pants on, we're not there yetDelete
Veers also makes a good target for trolls, he can't help but respond.ReplyDelete