loyalanon > If i choose to say no to your reimbursement request, then what?This conversation was coming to a close. Everyone knew it. You could cut the tension with a knife.
loyalanon > would you still want a mining permit?
Lillith Darkmoore > I am hoping that it wont come to that
Lillith Darkmoore > put a contract up for my losses with a requirement of 30m and the ships and ill acceptit
Lillith Darkmoore > accept itIf it came to war, everyone wanted to be able to say that they'd done everything in their power to prevent it. Nobody wanted to be the bad guy in this situation.
loyalanon > negative
412nv Yaken > As i mentioned earlier, You seem to be doing alot of me, me,me though cant even show faith
Lillith Darkmoore > thatsgood faith
Lillith Darkmoore > showing faith is an act that is equally givenThough neither side wanted a war, there were things they weren't willing to give up to avoid it. Some values couldn't be compromised, not even to avert a bloody conflict.
Lillith Darkmoore > not required from one side
loyalanon > We do not care about the 30mil or the replacement ships, I am more concerned about your commitment to the code
Lillith Darkmoore > I just gave you a solution on how WE can both have faith in eachother
loyalanon > Show me you can not afford to replace what you have lost. Send me a full APIIn a last-ditch effort to help Lillith show full faith, loyalanon asked her for an API. Lillith had a different way of accomplishing the same thing: She'd go to a station in a pod.
loyalanon > so I can verify
Lillith Darkmoore > ill do better what station are you in
Lillith Darkmoore > i will come in a pod
loyalanon > why would you do that criminal?It was as loyalanon feared. Lillith wasn't willing to produce an API. That meant she had something to hide.
loyalanon > You do understand how API's work right friend?
Lillith Darkmoore > i do
Lillith Darkmoore > but im not giving that out
loyalanon > Then I dont feel you are committed to the code criminal
Lillith Darkmoore > hahaha that is committed to the code
Lillith Darkmoore > ill oppen up a trade window and show you more than enough iskApparently there was some confusion. loyalanon wanted proof that Lillith was too poor to replace the stuff she'd lost. Lillith was prepared to show she did have money.
Lillith Darkmoore > or better yet we can meet in Jita
Lillith Darkmoore > then we can fix all of the who owes who stuff
Lillith Darkmoore > thats a fare way to do it
loyalanon > Then you need to show commitment my friendEnough was enough. No more deals, APIs, etc. If Lillith didn't get what she wanted, 412nv Yaken and loyalanon would lose her respect. That's how high the stakes were.
412nv Yaken > Faith and commitment
Lillith Darkmoore > if we dont come to an agreement you will loose a thing called respect, which is worth so much more than isk and faith. You all currently have my respect
Lillith Darkmoore > so i dont want you to loose it
loyalanon > Ive said this before, we have the most respected, trusted and elite pvp'ers in all of eve in our alliance. Why would one highsec miners respect matter to us?The way to demonstrate one's respect to an Agent of the New Order is to show respect to the Code and the Saviour who wrote it. Anything else is meaningless lip service.
412nv Yaken > Lillith Darkmoore - I already feel disrespected by you
Lillith Darkmoore > no 412 I like you
Lillith Darkmoore > you seem like a really good guy
loyalanon > I feel disrepected by proxy when you thought you could steal James 315's ore without permission or a permit
412nv Yaken > Well im upset that you do not have your permit yet and that you were stealing james 315's oreIt was time. Lillith put her final card on the table for all to see.
Lillith Darkmoore > I belive that you are not understanding that i am not alone here
Lillith Darkmoore > my sincerest appologies
Lillith Darkmoore > for that
loyalanon > Do you have other carebears that you would like to pull into this conversation to represent your interests?Lillith was no ordinary solo AFK highsec ice miner. She had an army. A nullsec army.
Lillith Darkmoore > We are not carebears
Lillith Darkmoore > we are 3500 man alliance, and 2500 seader alliance
Lillith Darkmoore > that is not someone to laugh at
Lillith Darkmoore > no warning was giveEven as they spoke, the vanguard of Lillith's army--6,000 strong--were en route to highsec. Formidable on their own, they were only the tip of the spear. There was little time left to call them back.
loyalanon > Do police need to warn a bank robber before they arrest him?
Lillith Darkmoore > difference between police and robbers are that police dont dress like robbers and kill people
Lillith Darkmoore > I belive that for the good of everyone here we come up with a good deal
Lillith Darkmoore > because there are guys already on the way out of null for me
Lillith Darkmoore > ok loyal i understand your point we going to get past this now, and we are going to talk about the fact that we are starting with good faith from both of us, you get your ships back and isk, i get my implants back and my shipLillith reminded the Agents of their options. They could reimburse her 4 billion isk, or they could face the consequences of a deadly war, one which would cost a lot more than 4 billion isk. One which might grow beyond anyone's control.
Lillith Darkmoore > and we avoide alot of bad losses
Lillith Darkmoore > for both sides
Lillith Darkmoore > which is what we want to do
loyalanon > YOU avoid alot of bad losses, not us friendThis wasn't the first time highsec had been flooded with warriors from Providence. They lived in null, but they knew how to play by ganker rules. This had happened many times before. Why else would the New Order be the only miner ganking organization? The rest had all been wiped out by Lillith's forces.
Lillith Darkmoore > actualy YOU do. Do you not believe that we have not done this type of stuff before?
Lillith Darkmoore > that this is the first time we will have to play by the highsec ganking rules
Lillith Darkmoore > ?
Lillith Darkmoore > we have done this many times before
Lillith Darkmoore > and we only do it when things like this happen and we can not reach an agreement
loyalanon > are you referring to yourself or your allianceloyalanon had 24 hours to come to a final decision. Our Agent didn't need 24 seconds. Lillith was a Goofus and therefore ineligible for reimbursement. Peace is not so precious as to be purchased at the Code's expense.
Lillith Darkmoore > I am refurring to everyone that is blue with a * to me
Lillith Darkmoore > and that my friend is alot of people
Lillith Darkmoore > You have one day for me to hear your responce and then you will hear mine. Keep the faith
loyalanon > You can hear my response right now
loyalanon > Reimbursement denied
Several weeks have passed. Lillith Darkmoore faded away into obscurity. Of the 6,000 Provi big boys, 0 big boys (or roughly 00% of the available big boy forces) have participated in the war against the New Order. What a scam. They don't follow their own Bushido!