Tuesday, May 15, 2018

Bob Wins, Part 3

Previously, on MinerBumping... Agent Bob the Fourth tried everything he could think of to reach Ynohtna Sirrap Leusten. Bob tried killing him, ganking him, destroying his ships--nothing worked. But the miner's silence was finally broken after Bob confiscated Ynohtna's illegally mined ice from non-secure containers. The miner spoke, but would he buy a permit?

Well now, that wasn't too painful. The hard part was getting him into the convo.

When someone says "This had better not be a scam," it means he's about to open his wallet. After all, if he wasn't going to pay you, it wouldn't matter to him whether you're running a scam or not.

Everything was going smoothly so far--especially considering how many months it had taken to get Ynohtna to this point.

When someone says "okay" repeatedly while being given instructions, it doesn't always inspire confidence. Somehow, Bob sensed that Ynohtna was going to have trouble following directions.

First, the miner sent 1 million isk instead of 10 million. It was an innocent mistake; Ynohtna had misplaced a zero. No matter. The miner simply needed to send an additional 9 million.

Aha, so there's the zero that went missing. Ynohtna struggled to transfer the required isk, but he got there in the end. He spent 91 million isk on a 10 mill permit.

Cynics say that miners only make clerical errors in their own favor, but there's actually a rich history of carebears overpaying for things by mistake. Years ago, during the pre-Code era, I ransomed a highsec miner for 90 million and he accidentally sent me 900 million instead. I demanded that he transfer 90 million, like I had originally asked. When he refused, I killed him. The miner complained that 900 includes 90, so I told him I would reimburse him if he could convince the general population of the official EVE forum (which was more active at the time).

The miner was eager to get his money, so he created a thread on EVE-O about the situation.

I rendered my verdict, which was to keep the 900 million and not to reimburse the miner. Aside from the "meh seems made up" crowd, most EVE players agreed that the miner was wrong to expect reimbursement of an overpaid ransom. Despite a noteworthy dissent by Chribba, that precedent still stands today.

Back to the matter at hand. Ynohtna received a mining permit from Bob. In keeping with highsec custom, our Agent kept the 81 million isk over-payment. Bob didn't require the miner to send exactly 10 million as an additional transfer for the permit, though he could have.

Agent Bob then returned to local chat to trumpet the ascension of a new permit-holding miner.

As usual, denialists questioned whether Ynohtna was a real miner. Maybe Bob had created him in 2016, spent countless hours mining in highsec, and allowed himself to be repeatedly ganked, all so he could pretend that one more miner had purchased a permit for 10 million isk?

Miner logic.

Later, Bob stumbled upon evidence that Ynohtna might be dishonouring his permit.

Miners, don't forget: A permit is where Code-compliance begins, not where it ends. Our Agents are always, always, always watching you. Which should be a comforting thought, unless you have something to hide.

To be continued...


  1. "Our Agents are always, always, always watching you."

    No, that is a lie.

    1. A random anonymouse like you are always being watched. If you weren't, you wouldn't feel the need to be anonymous.

  2. Did the New Order Spai Agency just return, or is that an acronym for another organization?

  3. I'm fairly sure there's a provision in the Code that, like bathrooms, absence due to partner aggro is not permitted without prior permission from an Agent. If not, here's a proposal:

    "Miners must gain written permission from an Agent for any so-called crises raised by partners, spouses, pets or children. Doing the dishes in particular needs signed authorisation. After changing nappies, miners must post evidence that they're washed & disinfected their hands, arms and faces before returning to the keyboard".

  4. 1 ecm drone + 1 ecm drone = failure.

  5. So, Bob effectively owns those systems as a proxy for the Savior. He brought the authority of The Code, and James 315, to bear on the highsec carebears. He is able to do this because his authority is recognized by James, and in turn James' authority is recognized and supported by the honest and rightful denizens of a civized highsec. CCP's sandbox pvp game working as intended.

    If a carebear don't like the rules where he lives he can always "fight the power" as it may be, but as long as the majority rules through The Code, and it's living incarnation James 315, law cowardly criminal carebears will be punished to the full extent of the law.

    Or a carebear could leave highsec for the richer pastures of nullsec and make his way in EVE the way it was intended, fighting for what you want without CONCORD to hide behind.

    Or they can simply admit that they are unable to play EVE correctly and leave the game. Why bother trying to carebear in a game that is "a PVP game at heart". Avoiding PVP while hording risk-adverse ISK go directly against what EVE was designed for.

    Anyone who brags about mining in highsec while hiding from PVP should just biomass, there's no way to fix being that broken. Lol spergs, why you so butthurt?


  6. that's a valid reason [citation needed]

    This miner is already playing fast and loose with The Code? I have a feeling he may have also overlooked the provision about tanking his ships.

  7. Meh seems made up

  8. Thanks for posting this wonderful post. Keep writing.

  9. The cash is given as a loan and is straightforwardly stored into your own financial records, after which the loan reserves, in addition to a charge, are removed from your record toward the finish of the credit which more often than not is your next payday.


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