Some miners take the Code seriously. Others do not. In the future, I would like to see no less than 110% of all highsec miners in total compliance with the Code. In the meantime, the occasional punishment is necessary. After all, though I am merciful, I am also just. The most severe violators of the Code are put on the Red Pen list. Again, some miners take this seriously, while others do not. Today, I present you with the story of one miner who suffered the consquences of being Red Penned.
A few weeks ago, we heard the tale of Carbuilder Hemah, who engaged in extreme and profane acts of resistance when confronted by Agent Arden Elenduil.
Carbuilder had become infuriated when Arden exercised a perfectly valid kill right against one of Carbuilder's corpmates.
Eventually, Carbuilder's corp made him pay Arden 420 million isk to get the corp into compliance with the Code. This was much more money than would normally be paid, because Carbuilder's profanity had gotten him Red Penned by Arden.
Further controversy resulted from the MinerBumping post itself. Carbuilder had been in a private convo with Arden. During the convo, Carbuilder secretly insulted members of his own corporation. They weren't pleased to hear about it. When Carbuilder learned that the private convo had been displayed for all to see, he fired off an angry EVEmail to Arden:
Re: Re: Re: the wardec?
From: Carbuilder Hemah
Sent: 2013-07-11 21:03:00
To: Arden Elenduil
no problem btw i dont recall you asking if you can place our conversation on a public website you know that is against eh law? Its considered defamation of character I shall ask you to pls remove it. As you can see im not a some dumb miner i do know my rights. For you to place a private conversation between myself and you, you have to ask my permission. you can post what was said in public chat all you want but in the private conversation that is another story.
Not satisfied, Carbuilder went to the MinerBumping post and left some comments there, as well:
I was stunned when I learned about these comments. Carbuilder may have been many things, but I never took him for a space lawyer.
When other commenters gently reminded that he was being foolish, Carbuilder doubled-down on the space lawyering. He was now guilty of another grievous violation of the Code. Then things started to get interesting.
Enter Erotica 1. She is perhaps the most famous isk-doubler in Jita. With 24 billion isk invested in the New Order, she's also our biggest shareholder. One day, as she was doubling isk for a customer, she opened a special bonus room for him. Every hundredth customer gets the chance to win big--as long as they follow the rules. You might recall the case of Hydra Fire, who tried to deceive Erotica 1 during a bonus round, and ended up losing all of his in-game assets.
Now it was some other lucky customer's turn. It just so happened that the customer was none other than Carbuilder Hemah himself. After one successful doubling, Carbuilder handed over 400 million isk to Erotica 1. She invited him to a bonus room. But he wasn't sure about whether he should take the plunge or not. To help steel his nerves, Erotica invited him to join her TeamSpeak server. Fancy Space Tourist recorded the entire event, and posted the recording to SoundCloud. Here's what happened.
At 14:40 in the recording, after supplying Erotica with the necessary API information, Carbuilder had second thoughts about the whole thing. He noticed that there was someone he recognized in the crowded bonus room. By coincidence, Arden Elenduil was there. This prompted a conversation in which Carbuilder explained why he didn't like Arden or what he stood for.
Eventually, however, Carbuilder was coaxed into participating in the bonus round. Thus began the process of Carbuilder handing over all of his in-game assets, including all of his ships:
By 46:00, Erotica was able to calculate a sizable payout that Carbuilder would soon receive. It suddenly occurred to Erotica that Carbuilder would win even more money if he got his hands on some corp assets and turned those over, as well. But Carbuilder wasn't comfortable with this, since his corp was still upset about "the MinerBumping shit". Carbuilder went into greater detail about the incident covered by the MinerBumping post. He revealed that he was actually in control of the Hulk when Arden destroyed it. He confessed that his corp engaged in systematic acts of account sharing. Erotica recommended that Carbuilder file a petition to CCP to report his CEO for account sharing. However, Carbuilder said that it was only "a one-time thing", which he did because he needed PLEX.
By 1:01:45, Carbuilder was ready to receive his payout. Erotica explained that there were a few traditions for bonus room winners, including the singing of a song. Reasonable enough. But Carbuilder was reluctant to sing, because his wife and three small children would overhear him. Undaunted, Erotica urged the other bonus room occupants to find an appropriate song for Carbuilder to sing.
At 1:08:50, Carbuilder was asked to sing the theme song to "My Little Pony". No brony, Carbuilder hotly refused. As a grown man, he was disgusted by the idea, especially since his family would hear it. As a compromise, Erotica asked him to read, aloud, a Wikipedia article about Saint Olga of Kiev, a fascinating woman who lived in the tenth century. Carbuilder agreed, and it took several minutes for him to get through it.
At 1:19:00, Carbuilder finished reading the article, but once again refused to honour Erotica's rules and sing a song. In response to Erotica's request, Carbuilder offered a brief summary of how he had given away all of his in-game assets. He confessed that with his bonus room winnings, he would buy a few months of PLEX. Erotica then asked Carbuilder to entertain a hypothetical situation: What would he do if it was all just a scam?
"Just log out of EVE and never log back in, 'cause I don't have nothin' left."
Erotica reassured Carbuilder by telling him that he would still win big, if only he would sing a song, as the rules required him to do. Carbuilder grew silent. He explained that his wife was "chewing him out" for making a fool of himself. Sadly, he would not comply with the rules, and all of his assets were forfeit.
Finally, Erotica 1 reminded Carbuilder that she was the New Order's biggest shareholder, which Carbuilder already knew. She asked if he would give his permission for the recording of the day's events to be posted on MinerBumping. Carbuilder refused. Luckily, Fancy Space Tourist, the owner of the recording, was more than happy to have it linked here.
In the end, we all learned something, I think. The Red Pen is a pretty big deal. Those who follow rules are richly rewarded. Those who prefer to break rules--whether the rules of the EULA, the Code, or of Erotica 1's bonus room--end up like Carbuilder Hemah. Dear reader, are you a rule-follower or a rule-breaker?
That's pure gold right there.ReplyDelete
Carbuilder Hemah, henceforth known as Hobobuilder Hemah, would be a happy miner if only he could swallow his pride and think over the gains he would make up to this day, just by paying for a mining permit. It makes me wonder whether all highsec miners took lessons from the same teacher while they were learning the ropes. In the end though it is a lesson, albeit a painful one, that to follow the Code is to follow a higher state of being!ReplyDelete
Thats Pure cake right there. Henceforth, you shall be know as gateau hemah. I think everyone would be happy with more cake, permit or not.ReplyDelete
Must make everyone wonder whether all highsec gankers enjoy cake. the code, is not cake. therefore it cannot be cake.
love me some cake.
Did they find hoffa yet?ReplyDelete
All he had to do was swallow his pride and sing the theme song to a little girls TV show.ReplyDelete
So much for honor in the New World Order instead of singing a song he was asked to read something which he did. From what I heard he done everything asked and then some. As far as singing the song i dont blame him you can hear the kids in the background and his wife. I would have been the same way. Used to think The New World Order was something at least half ass decent, now not so much. In my opinion Carbuilder should have gotten everything he was promised we all know even if he had sung the song you would have just come up with some other bullshit reason why not to give him anything. Whats worse is nobody even gives him credit he started to lose his temper but just logged off.ReplyDelete
In the New World Order there is of course no honour.Delete
The New Order, in contrast, is the fount of all honour in highsec.
FTFY, thank me later.
P.S. Loved the soundcloud.
"Why don't you give a corp AP?"
"Err... it's not letting me set corporation"
Maybe he was being honest and it didnt let him if he doesnt have high enough rank in his corp then it wont. I really dont see his corp giving him rank enough to do something like that really. If this what you call honor im glad i dont have no part of it.Delete
This wasn't a New Order operation, it was Erotica 1's Bonus Room. He does this from before buying shares in the NO.Delete
its on a NO website done by the biggest shareholder in the NO well after they became the biggest NO shareholder so NO supports scams surprise surprise didnt see that coming carbuilder really should have read more on the website other then what was written about him. bumping miners is one thing scamming a fairly new player is another NO lost any kind of support from meDelete
^ Judging by your inability to use punctuation or form coherent sentences, I don't think we'll be missing your support in the least.Delete
Whooo high fives all around we scammed a character that turns 3 months old tommorrow! How much higher can we raise our level of being jackasses and douchebags can we go. I cant believe people are actually proud of what they done.ReplyDelete
3 months old, with half a dozen miner ships, a tech 2 mining ship, a primae, a drake and dozens of frigates and god knows how many more isk in other assets. Please do not use the words WE and OUR when you mean YOU and YOUR. You are more than certainly not one of US.Delete
half a dozen miner ships yes i see those but isnt carbuilder a miner? a tech two mining ship see that as well but once again he is a miner a primae eh i dont know about that dont really even know what its for i see somebody getting ready for indy changes who kept everything he was given from the tutorial missions. as for the drake how many of us uses a drake to run missions? surely you dont think mining is the only thing he done and the drake is still packaged maybe he was training for it. i find it rather odd they didnt list all of his assets. including his isk im sure more would have been better suited to see what was going on but honestly i think it wasnt fully released because it shows just how little the guy really had. Alot of ships always looks great but i see alot of starter ships.Delete
I think it was unfair to say to him the Wiki article was a compromise because it sounded like he had not to sing after that.ReplyDelete
But he acted as a douche just for a simple song in good fun so i guess he still deserved, just be clear about HAVING to sing.
Well how would you act when youve been asked to sing some pretty rediculous stuff you said no compromise was made did the other thing you was asked then was told you have to sing anyways. He didnt act like a douche really just sounded aggravated which i can really understand.ReplyDelete
I meant that singing a song is really not a big deal, if I sang a song at the PC with my wife in the room she would have laughed about it, it's just a song...Delete
The douche part is saying "you're being disrespectful, I'm a 31 years old man I don't sing, you're making an ass of me...". It's just a song, no need to be that serious about it. Probably the kids would have had a good laugh and a good time too.
but as I said I agree about the fact the terms were "read the wiki instead of singing". However I think he still lost the game, they should have sticked with the song request and then telling him he lost the game right after his final refusal to sing.
exactly the words which i presume was erotica's "read the wiki instead of singing" was said loud and clear which pretty much sums it up read the wiki instead of singing which makes carbuilder doing everything that he was asked to do. he even went thru and made sure he didnt have roles in his corp which if he doesnt have roles he cant do a corp. api which in turn its probably for the best he didnt get a corp orca or anything not only would carbuilder have been scammed out of all his belongings but he corp would have lost stuff as well. and yes i was saying he was scammed because he follows thru with everything and they keep his stuff anyways. sure he didnt sing but you can hear it loud and clear instead of singing read the wiki.Delete
They say gambling is a tax on fools... but that was all a bit much... I'd consider donating some isk for his trouble, but on the other hand, I don't want to condone taking silly risks with your $$, either.Delete
It didnt suit the New Order to be honourable here. Thats all. Its very simple.ReplyDelete
I used to like reading this blog. Im very disapointed as of late. The New Order is slowly becoming a grafted branch on all the tree of sociopathic behavior that is rampant in EvE.
You lost a fan today James.
Hello? This was Erotica 1's bonus room, not the New Order at work.Delete
But anyway, I doubt you were a James 315. If you were, you would have accepted the in EVE scams are part of the game. It's a game that you agree to play by its rules when you join, no one forces you to.
Idiot. Erotica is James' greatest shareholder and her bonus room theatrics are posted all over this site. Shes New Order Through and Through.Delete
lost a fan, and cake.. for shame you earthly devious person you.ReplyDelete
Bah, I can't deny you cake, you are James..
Wait, yes i can.
No cake for you. unless you change the CODE to talk about cake.
I almost felt bad for the guy. He seemed like he was about to cry. Almost.ReplyDelete
I'm sure people think this is hilarious and hee-hee carebear tears, but realistically something everyone ought to keep in mind, including James and his friends, is that every time a player leaves EVE over an event like this, we all lose. That's one less body in the skies to fight or build ships, one less subscription for CCP, and a little less money to be put back into the game we all enjoy.ReplyDelete
This sort of thing is a loss, and is not worth the transient laughs. Even the CFC gave the N3ST pilots a ride home after thrashing them other night. They didn't make a point of killing them all to the last man.
There is something to be said for teaching someone a lesson, there's also something to be said for having some modicum of mercy in doing so.
funny part is they didnt get any tears really all i hear is a really constrained voice of somebody who was about to get really pissed off which carbuilder kudos to you man you remained calm which is far better then anything i would have done. i am going to see however he states clearly i wishes the recording of him speaking not go on the site i think it will have to be pulled down at least all the part where he is talking anyways. Hell the least i can do for the guy.Delete
This sucks. It's one thing playing the so called Saviour of HighSec (lmao) blah blah blah and bumping miners, and the suicide ganking, but deliberate scamming and extortion is nothing but pure griefing when taken to this level.ReplyDelete
Shame on all involved.
I used to think the NO (although I don't agree with what they do, it seemed a legitimate method of playing the game)at least had some (albeit loose) morals ... but to openly support this and brag about some poor sod being griefed and humilliated is wrong on all levels of decency.
Agree - loss of James 315, Erotica 1 and the few dozen other douchebags active in New Order would be a great benefit to the tens of thousands of people that play Eve.ReplyDelete
If you think Carbuilder didnt like eve look at the ships the guy had and you can tell he enjoyed the game. Hell most of them Im willing to bet he done the tutorial missions twice to make sure he understood what was going on. He enjoyed being a miner i count 3 covetors, retriever, procurer, and a mackinaw. Hell the guy was even ready for the indy changes with indy ships. I see a guy that took the time to try and at least understand the game somewhat in the 3 months he played. When asked what he was going to do with the isk he won i was shocked when i heard him just gonna plex my account for a few months. It wasnt gonna buy something big and stupid that would take him forever to fly he was just gonna make sure he can play the game and not have to stress over if he was gonna be able to plex it i dont know about many of you ive added him to my contacts list and i honestly hope he logs on before his time runs out id like to be able to help him out.ReplyDelete
I must have missed Erotica's corp becoming part of NO or CODE.ReplyDelete
I guess Erotica is a James 315 alt? /tinfoil
If Carbuilder don't accept that in EVE the strong and smart prevails on the weak and naive, if he doesn't accept that in EVE you can lose everything if you're careless (like by trusting strangers who want all your stuff) and if he doesn't start from scratch after learning from his mistake...ReplyDelete
Then no, he doesn't like and/or understand EVE.
In EVE you can lose everything if you're stupid. Carbuilder has been stupid. EVE wins again as the only MMORPG where the strong wins over the weak. It can be sad but it's the beauty of the game.ReplyDelete
For all the people who depicts CArbuilder as a poor victim: I encourage you to click on the first link in this post to witness all the profanities and obscenities he vomited on otherr players of this game. He is a rude individual.
I take it you didnt listen to the sound cloud then. Sure on the first link carbuilder is being depicted as a rude crude individual but thats just exactly what it is. You think these things arent played up some to make the miners look bad surely that isnt happening. right? listen to the sound cloud all i hear there is somebody flat out getting scammed and i dont care where your from thats wrong.Delete
Scamming isn't wrong it's acceptable gameplay in Eve. Hence why it isn't for everyone.Delete
scamming somebody who has played 1-2 years who should know the game is one thing scamming somebody who has barely played at all is another. Sent him 100 million isk yesterday to help him get his plex he sent it back said thanks but no thanks so i know he does play chatted the bloke up for a bit seemed like a nice enough person shame he got scammed he said he wouldnt accept money he wasnt sure he could pay back. He has 10 more days before he plexs btw. he might make it who knows.Delete
Lol, manipulation... The insults are written by the miners themselves. To make them look bad you just need to let them talk.Delete
Great to see the NO shooting themselves in the foot here and being seen for the low life scumbags they are in supporting such crap.ReplyDelete
As someone else commented here, the 10M permit and the suicide gankings is one thing, but you've overstepped the line with this bullshit.
To all you so called Knights and especially James The Coward of HighSec ... sleep with one eye open and check your six from now on :)
To the guy above who offered 100M to the aggrieved .. good on you bro.
well at first i was skeptical of the guy then i seen he really was only 3 months old in game we all know if you have gone down the mining line heavily there isnt much you can and like carbuilder explained to me 3 small kids mining and industry worked for him. i asked him how he planned to bounce back his corp and his alliance gave him a helping hand didnt give him hardly any isk but gave him a covetor 2 drakes and a mackinaw covetor and 50 million isk from corp 2 drakes and a mackinaw from the alliance his corp is in. so i told him id buy the mackinaw for market price and he wouldnt sell it to me said it wasnt his to sell if he didnt get his account plexed in 9 days he was returning everything given but with fittings so ya i offered him some isk but he turned it down saying he wouldnt feel right taking money he couldnt pay back. so in 9 days gonna see how well he has done im sure a helping hand to push him over the edge of his plex if he needs it will be far easier to give to him then.Delete
Did anybody really read the article? Let me highlight something for you from the mouth of James 315 himself "At 1:08:50, Carbuilder was asked to sing the theme song to "My Little Pony". No brony, Carbuilder hotly refused. As a grown man, he was disgusted by the idea, especially since his family would hear it. As a COMPROMISE, Erotica asked him to read, aloud, a Wikipedia article about Saint Olga of Kiev, a fascinating woman who lived in the tenth century. Carbuilder agreed, and it took several minutes for him to get through it." Now there is a word I capitalized there its the word compromise, and James admits Carbuilder done as he was asked. Yet they keep all of his stuff anyways. There you have it ladies and gentlemen The Savior of Haliama will bump harrass or just gank somebody getting up looking after a kid using the bathroom or reading something. But feel free to lie cheat and steal your fellow man's belongings.ReplyDelete
You capitalize the word compromise but you don't understand what it means. Sad.Delete
I was there when Carbuilder was in Erotica's channel and I can confirm every opportunity was afforded to him to collect his prize but alas he flailed and sperged too much.ReplyDelete
No he was asked to sing a song which he didn't and in a compromise he was asked to read a passage from wiki. I've listened to it twice already just to double check. Its plain and simple and so far most people has agreed Carbuilder won the prize he did as he was asked and when he refused the song he was offered to read from wiki instead which he did. We don't need one of Erotica's puppies to try and verify what happened its there we can hear it for ourselves and even James 315 himself states a compromise was made. Now im just waiting to see what changes are made to the blog so NO actually saves some face on this one. I honestly expect this blog to be taken down which would be a shame. The NO really messed this up terribly so be ready to look for spots deleted or this whole blog deleted as a cover up. Dont know about you guys but ive been taking screen shots.Delete
whole blog deleted? I'd like to see that one :)Delete
hate to point this out to you but all that had been settled on a earlier blog the procurer he had is one they scammed him out of.ReplyDelete
Was that the blog that ended with:ReplyDelete
"Will Agents of the New Order view him as a legitimate permitholder, or will they see him as a work in progress, who needs further discipline? Only time will tell."
because his bio pledge wasn't much of a pledge, more like a challenge of authority. I for one would have ganked him without hesitation had I seen him.
It warms my heart that so many people have taken the time to listen to the recording of yet another fun-filled bonus room event!ReplyDelete
It is clear to me, however, that the people who disagree with the ending have not actually listened to the complete event. The ships shown are just from one escrow agent in one system. Listen to it again!
Also, here are the chat logs for your enjoyment:
Carbuilder first plays the game: http://pastebin.com/trZPyipP
Carbuilder chats me up and sends 400m: http://pastebin.com/CBBHqv8k
Bonus Round Chat: http://pastebin.com/77ysqbYd
Since I was doubling quite a bit of isk as the game continued, more clients won a bonus round chance, as I had hundreds of clients play that day. I had dc'ed at the end of this log. I checked the new log right after, but it wasn't all that interesting. Basically, client just gets taken care of and leaves chat.
Erotica you are a confidence scam artist plain and simple. Carbuilder was a fool and you scammed him. Its the game but it doesn't change the fact of who both of you really are.Delete
Erotica 1, pay no heed to these mewling, punctuation-challenged naysayers. You have firmly established yourself as an intellectual and ethical authority of the highest caliber - a true visionary in New Eden. The stars shine brighter when you log in!Delete
As for Carbuilder... you deprived your kids of a very beautiful song.
Posted after seeing this thread in GD forum:Delete
"Eve = Sociopath's Playground"
Yes Erotica I'm sure you all had fun, but the fact of the matter remains at 1:10:20 you say "Lets make a compromise, you don't have to sing a song. How about you read to us, read to us something instead." You went back on your own words so much for being Eve's truly honest isk doubler. It was a scam plain and simple then to top it off after he reads what you ask him to you tell him he has to sing again. Hearing you tell him it was a scam just makes me wanna puke. Then you keep rubbing it in. He played by your rules when what you do is so disturbing you have to get away from your family to do it. That really says something about the kind of person you are.ReplyDelete
You don't seem to understand what the definition of compromise is: "An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions."Delete
Erotica conceded the song requirement, and Carbuilder conceded all his ISK. How is that not fair?
You want Erotica to concede the song requirement, and Carbuilder to concede nothing? That's clearly not a compromise.
I haven't yet had the pleasure of listening to the Teamspeak recording, but this blog post was pure comedy gold.ReplyDelete
you should listen to it Carbuilder does a rather well job of keeping his cool when he finds out he got scammedDelete
He gets pretty agitated about how bad it is for people to shoot defenseless ships - a clear symptom of Taking This Game Too Seriously. 16:00 in the recordingDelete
Haven't listened to the rest yet.
Love this blog - our target list of cowards, scumbags and scammers just gets bigger by the day lol.ReplyDelete
Awww - looks like one of the douchebag Knights, Arden Elenduil isn't quite the dedicated Supreme Miner Slayer he and James The Coward make out - check out his newly joined Corp, The League of Extraordinary Mentlegen [GTLMN]- of which I quote :ReplyDelete
"Are you tired of can flippers, bumpers, pirates, wardecs and other griefing? Do you want to play EVE with other friendly people at your own pace, without getting harassed by pirates and thieves?
The League is a non-combatant missioning and mining corporation, based in High Security space in Minmatar space. We are a NEW PLAYER friendly corporation, and strive to assist newer players adjust to life in New Eden in every way possible.
* Non-aggressive NRDS Policy across New Eden!
* No mandatory corp ops - play how you like!
* Access to L3 and L4 Agents across highsec!
* Weekly mining ops, with Orca Support!
* Daily mission fleets - fight the Blood Raiders together, never mission solo again!
* Dedicated salvager opportunities! Don't let those wrecks go to waste!
* Fitting advice and ships for newer players!
* Friendly group atmosphere!
Apply today, and experience EVE as it was meant to be!
Diplomat: Arden Elenduil"
Hypocritical lying piece of shit! No wonder James The Coward of HighSec reaves about him.
LMFAO yeah right Arden & all you other cowardly Knight scumbags - keep running bro. The hunters have now become the hunted.
Oh and Erotica - bitch we're coming for you too.
Cupcake, I don't think you seem to understand how this works. Slow down, take a few minutes and maybe get a drink and then come back to the computer and then you can maybe play with the big boys
I'm not a member of the Order but in my corp you have your fans, if you need reinforcements you only have to say the word.
As said in the reply above me, it's a corp purely meant for both suicide ganking and reverse awoxing (also wardecs if I happen to feel like it).Delete
Lets be honest here James he would have never got the "bonus" even if had sang. In the end he is a fool, who was greedy. Erotica is nice and friend but the she/he is still an EVE scam artist and is most likely one in real life as well. The moral of the story is if it sounds to good to be true, it is.ReplyDelete
The sentence "is most likely one in real life as well" is very stupid. It's like saying "He enjoys GTA, so he must be a car thief, killer, robber and pirate driver in real life". Or maybe "He enjoys ganking in World of Warcraft so he must be a killer in real life". Do you see how stupid it sounds?Delete
Oh and I do wonder how many of these lines have been used:ReplyDelete
Erotica 1 > youre 100th client today
scam will always be a scam.