Previously, on MinerBumping... Miner John Predaetor experienced a dizzying series of ups and downs when he went to trial for reimbursement of his Venture. Just when things were looking good for John, Agent Kalorned pulled a rabbit out of his hat. He argued that John's ability to see one corner of his screen while drinking proved he could see local chat, and had ignored an Agent of the New Order. Judge Quaker Oatmeal found this very persuasive.
As always, the court based everything on facts and evidence. Quaker experimented by drinking something while looking at his own computer screen. The evidence was damning. Now John Predaetor was in danger of being denied reimbursement.
John dismissed all simulations and recreations out of hand. He was as innocent as O.J. Simpson.
Quaker ignored the theatrics and stuck to the facts. John needed to come up with a convincing counterargument in a hurry. Or he'd need an entirely new argument for reimbursement. But would John crack under the pressure instead?
John took the cracking option. This is what distinguishes an experienced prosecutor like Kalorned, who never lost his cool.
Judge Oatmeal helpfully informed John where his thinking was at; it was time for John to move forward to another argument. But John dug in his heels. This signaled weakness; he was making his last stand on a point the judge had already decided. Future space lawyers, take notice!
Having invited the miner to make a new argument, and having seen the invitation rejected, Quaker Oatmeal began the process of wrapping up the case.
At the last moment, John condemned himself. He revealed that he'd never had faith. EVE never works out for carebears who lack faith.
John did not have an excuse for failing to respond to Kalorned's greeting in local. It was bot-aspirancy all the way.
As always, the tribunal reached the correct decision. This was confirmed by John's subsequent admission that he didn't even know the Code existed in the first place. How can a miner not know about the Code by now--unless he deliberately disengages from the highsec environment?
John's bot-aspirancy was a clear violation of the Code. Since John didn't own a permit, he could have been more easily charged with unlicensed mining. However, our Agents give the miners every opportunity to defend themselves. If the miner loses, it's his own fault.
The experience of going to trial was a positive one. John expressed an interest in acquiring his very own copy of the Code. 'Twas a worthwhile endeavor!
The impartial judge showed no ill will toward either party. Another job well done, Quaker was off to his next appointment.
In the end, the trial was a victory for the Code, the New Order, Agent Kalorned, and--most importantly--the system. The system works. We can trust in the process. Justice prevails in highsec today! What a comfort to all the PvE'ers who don't have anything to hide.
There are no rules that force you to chat in local so Code always fail ;)ReplyDelete
Read the Code and be enlightened. It might save your soul. Link is above, you have no excuses.Delete
I can assure you, anon@8:57, that we are sincerely trying to help you. Read the Code. Think on what it means, and on its intent. And then, once you've been convinced, purchase a permit. I guarantee you won't regret it.Delete
There are no rules that forces you to play an MMO as a single player game, yet time and again people think they can risk free.Delete
Everyone versus Everyone is what EvE stands for.
Talk to people, interact don't be a wall flower in EvE and it could change your outlook of Eve and life in general.
SSSTH you are not supossed to accept that there is a life outside of eve that has any impact upon eachother the code buffoons don't accept that anything that happens in the game has any life impactDelete
"Maria MalukkerJanuary 12, 2015 at 9:07 PM"Delete
Buying a permit will never happen, I have to play this silly game to do that and even if I played I wouldn't buy a fake permit.
The day CCP announce that you are a confirmed entity by CCP I will buy that but until then you can try your best with no success ;)
But as I said before many times, I know what you are trying to do and maybe it's good that players get aware but I still don't like the pushing you do with every player.
Just admit that you love real life rage, you do your best to get it so there is every evidence possible for that.
You just fly below the CCP radar for harassing but that might change or not, who knows.
And happy playing or whatever you are doing ;)
There you are again with the "just admit you're something you're not". What's with this carebear obsession with that? Like we'd help your delusions by pretending to be something we're not. It's baffling why you think we'd ever play along with that nonsense.
CODE. has stated many times that we do not care about player rage at what we do; because it is irrelevant to our mission. We care only about the compliance of every, single, highsec player that engages in PvE playstyles. And "pushing" every single bot-aspirant highsec player is what we ->must<- do, because if we didn't, Agents could be accused of favoritism, and the New Order would fall apart under charges of corruption.
That's just your way of flying under the radar.Delete
You keep pushing until you get rage so there is evidence for sure.
There's huge flaws in saying that but you probably know that allready.
With your logic a terrorist is the good guy since he doesn't want to kill, he just wants power and people have to die for them to get power.
And yes I know this is a game so I will stop the terrorist comparison here...
"If we rage, that means there is evidence that you pushed us there"
This is the same logic that people that beat their wives and children use. What happened to "Being responsible for your own responses?" Whatever happened to "Self-Control" and "Holding yourself accountable?"
It sounds to me like you're the one supporting terrorism. And wife-beating.
"AnonymousJanuary 13, 2015 at 7:07 PM"Delete
Oh yes, if I can beat you ;)
No but you need to check your mental health ;)
You keep flying under the CCP radar and is proud of provoking real life anger and theats?
That's sick if nothing else....
But yes, terrorist according to Code. logic should have the right to get power even if that mean that people are dying in the process.
I could beat my wife but why should I do that, should I do that to comply with Code. or what?
Still there is evidence that you do all you can to push a player to the point that he or she rage against you and that is evidence enough.
If you want them to not rage you should stop pushing them when you notice that they might rage but hell no you don't stop. You all love the rage you get and that is really sick.
Even if it's just a game you should take more responsibillity if your average age in Code. is 12 year.
"If you want them to not rage you should stop pushing them when you notice that they might rage but hell no you don't stop."Delete
This, this right here, is the root of all your heresies Anon8:49. You seem to believe that we are responsible for other people's emotional reactions, or (in the case of your fellow carebears) for their tantrums at losing a game. We're not responsible for that. You suggest that we ought to condescend to carebears, and lower our standards for them when we believe that not doing so might result in their throwing a tantrum. But we have too much respect for all eve players, even carebears, to do that. There is a law in highsec, and it applies to everyone equally. Some players' inability to accept the consequences of their actions does not put them above the law.
Shame on you for suggesting that the "caring" thing to do would be to hold carebears to a lower standard. How would they ever learn? No, we shall keep on correcting carebear behavior until they are highsec citizens we can all be proud of. And if some (or, let's be honest, all) carebears cry a bit before improving...that's not our goal, but neither is it something I'm going to waste a lot of time regretting. They're the ones who chose to get emotionally invested in a video game.
Thus justice was servedReplyDelete
Through diligence and process
And faith in The Code
Props to John Predaetor for rising at the Court's adjournment. A good citizen and good sportsman who accepts his verdict. Bravo sir.ReplyDelete
I was thinking the same thing almost the equivalent of a gfDelete
Seriously. I bet John is an ok guy in a lot of people's books.Delete
This so called trial, like the code is a farce...ReplyDelete
Due process - checkDelete
Verdict given - check
Verdict accepted in good faith - check
Brainless illiterate carebear cries more - priceless.
Good job Agents and John - Code wins again!
Call it what you want the FACT is code is a farce and so was the joke used for a judge...you can't change the facts...Delete
we cant change your tears eitherDelete
"The Code is a farce"..."The Code is not real"....Tell that to every afk and/or unaware miner and hauler that has had their ships and equipment decommissioned by Code agents. Is it real enough for you now? :) xoxoxDelete
The code still does not exist for those whom it doesn't concern, the code is a good innitative yet all code agents schould be shot on site by there own " content rules "Delete
Calm down, miner. I assure you, that the Code is a very real thing, and it applies to every miner, whether or not they have "concerned" themselves with it or not. Every miner has a choice. Buy a permit and follow the Code, or lose their illegal equipment. You are free to attempt to shoot CODE. Agents, but you will also lose your illegal equipment just the same, as CODE. Agents are fully backed by CONCORD.
I know I already knew what happened and everything, but even still: OHHHHH MYYYYY GOOOOODDDDDDD LOOOOOL!ReplyDelete
For the record, it was the "he was as innocent as O.J. Simpson" line that made me lose it.Delete
Yep. Thats the line that made me laugh out loud at work. ;)Delete
And thus, the Code won out in the end... and with justice served, we may have hope that John Predaetor may better understand his mistake and now we can put the whole court business behind us and go forward, hand in hand in the Code.ReplyDelete
The Code always, wins. Always.
the Code. Winning continuously, without pause.ReplyDelete
"the Code. Winning continuously, without pause."Delete
Please allow me to fix your spelling error.
the Code. Whining continuously, without pause.
sorry my mistake you had it right first timeDelete
Thank God this has concluded.ReplyDelete
Not very exciting when you realize there is no chance CODE. would have ever published this story if it hadn't ended in them winning.ReplyDelete
Can't create suspense when all your stories end the same.
It's about the journey, not the destination.Delete
Oh really? Black Legion must have had so much during all those jumps to and from HED-GP last December. 4 hours of fun!Delete
Appropriate music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZrQialji38&list=PLC12AEB7D69E9F5E9&index=13ReplyDelete
And finally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx1QItiBqEs&index=40&list=PLC12AEB7D69E9F5E9
Justice system? What justice system. New order and its justice system is a farce. Keep up the efforts thou new order, cause the only real justice is when a new order member gets banned, and for some of you the ban cant come fast enough. I just love the tears that new order gives us when one or more of them get banned. :)ReplyDelete
Farce...banned...bullying...whaaaaaah. You sound like a 8 year old complaining on the school yard. I say ban the whiners. HTFU or GTFO :PDelete
Bonus round or court, faith in the Code is required of all carebears who wish to win. It's so sad that this lesson isn't drilled in enough yet. More work must be done.ReplyDelete
Only a fool would put their faith in the code...Delete
For non compliants:Delete
Losing mining ships > Mining
Yeah the logic makes no sense. I know.
Thousands of people put their faith in the Code every single day, and that faith is only ever rewarded. It's a pity that you are incapable of sincere faith in anything except money, but I hold out hope that someday even you may be redeemed.Delete
Its more than bullying going on. The only "CODE" there is is what those who are "enforcing" say it is. It is arbitrary and by Eve's "code" will qualify as harassment if a "player" refuses to give into their "enforcement" by "decommissioning". This kind of harassment/stalking is also illegal in rl and can be turned over to the appropriate authorities. Take that as a warning those who continue to do this, you are going far beyond the rules of EVE and are actually breaking rl laws. I would urge that any, and all, who have been, are being or who they attempt to harass/ stalk you over the "CODE" to report said harassment to EVE and, if nothing is done in a timely fashion, then go to your local authorities. And don't forget to get a hard copy of all interactions with these "CODE" enforces, eve staff and any interested party.ReplyDelete
That is some poor advice you are giving. The New Order operates within the EULA and with full knowledge of CCP. Agents enforce our claim to highsec by destroying non-compliant player's ships in keeping the with basic design of this game. Before you waste your local law enforcement's time I suggest you at least press F12 and run these facts by a CCP representative and always try to remember this is a just a game. Blowing spaceships up in an internet spaceship game about blowing spaceships up is not "harassment/stalking".Delete
But if you insist in going with the harassment angle, I suggest you get in touch with the 'Ganking is Bullying' crowd who you can find at: http://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com
@ Anon 7:16Delete
Also, when you do this, please keep records of your interactions with law enforcement. We will want to be informed of all developments with your attempt to try to prosecute CODE. for harassment.
And unfortunately for you, "Real Life Threats," such as the ones you are making, towards CODE., have real life consequences. As this is not a University, CODE. Agents have the right to face their accusers in court, and you can end up facing heavy fines or even jail time for bringing forth frivolous litigation and wasting law enforcement's time, not to mention, that CODE. could counter-sue you for emotional damages as well as recovery of legal fees.
With all their popularity, I'm sure that there are a number of lawyers that stand ready to defend CODE. should the need arise. Especially from empty threats.
This is too sad to be even funny. Sure, the Code is creating content and are not afraid to look like a fool doing so, but must they drag other people into their fantasy realm?ReplyDelete
Due process - check
Verdict given - check
Verdict accepted in good faith - check
Unnecessary role playing - check
Biased judge - check
Boring story - check
I don't get it.ReplyDelete
Why brothering with this fake trial when the outcome is clear? There was no doubt at any time that John would not be reimbursed.
Why? Because this is not Role-play! CODE does not role-play! They gank and they bump and that's it. Like it or don't does not matter ... if they play the game like this ... OK so be it.
But why then bothering with pseudo trial if there is no real chance ever that this could go any other way as it did?
IMHO this is the fucked up thing about CODE!
P.S. And why is prof that John could see Local if he could see all four corners? Local can be moved anywhere on the screen?
Why do we give trials to murderers that we clearly know are guilty?Delete
Why do we not just execute them on-the-spot?
Because the law requires due process, and requires that we observe the basic rights of the accused to defend themselves before an impartial arbiter, if they so request.
Because there IS indeed a chance that it could go the other way. The miner always has a chance to alter the course of his/her trial with the production of evidence!
But it is difficult to counter new order fact spinning and lies with real evidence, they just fact spin and lie more to discredit the new evidence...Delete
His guilt was obvious.Delete
Motion to appeal dismissed.
Anon 7:16 I hope you realize how a sandbox game like EVE operates. Yes there are rules that prevent someone harassing another individual by repeatedly targeting them, but CODE. is not breaking these rules. CCP officials have said it many times. A quick stroll across the forums would reveal all this to you.ReplyDelete
What you are unable or unwilling to see here is that EVE is a sandbox game and as such the players in the game are subject not only to the hazards of the universe, but also the hazards of other players. Think of it as a wild west in space. Now, I'm no expert, but I think the common man out in the wild had little impact if suddenly he were attacked by outlaws, when he was asleep, say. The common man needed to protect himself, as there was no CONCORD to ride in on a white stallion and shoot the outlaws with lasers. This is exactly what is happening in EVE. How can one side be to blame when the other doesn't even try to avoid the former. You can't dodge a bullet when you are AFK. Just ask Neo.
Comparing this to breaking RL laws is pointless because this is a game, a game where bad things happen everywhere. CODE. agents aren't sending you pipebombs through the mail or threatening to cut your family if you do not pay for the permit.
Well played, John.ReplyDelete
He may have lost the case, but he won at Eve. He played along and hopefully had some fun in the process. He engaged others playing Eve, and although his arguments stemmed from RL excuses, he pretty much roleplayed the defendant perfectly.
This was all a great example of role playing...in a role playing game. Hats off to everyone involved- it was a fun read and looks like it was fun for the participants.
Eve is just a game. Getting blown up should be as much fun as blowing someone else up. If it's not, the fault lies with the player, not the game.