W0lf Crendraven > highsec should just flat out get removed from the gameThe self-appointed representative of lowsec PvP was reduced to giving Bing the "carebear stare". The Kino resistance movement was deeply disappointed. Why, they could've gotten one of their local rebels to do that!
W0lf Crendraven > but mostly due to guys like you
W0lf Crendraven > so that the "Highsec" pvpers cant hide anymore
Bing Bangboom > I'm not hiding. I'm right here
W0lf Crendraven > you are hiding behind concord
Bing Bangboom > Killing non-permit holdersBing happily pointed out the flaw in W0lf's logic: Though W0lf claimed that highsec PvP'ers were protected by CONCORD, Bing had no problem killing other players, regardless of CONCORD. It was a skill that W0lf apparently didn't possess.
Bing Bangboom > blap blap blap
Bing Bangboom > I've killed two tonight already.
W0lf Crendraven > and?
Bing Bangboom > I'll kill two more...
W0lf Crendraven > you can kill 1 per 15min if you care to
W0lf Crendraven > but those kills are meaningless
Bing Bangboom > not to the botters they aren't.The hero from lowsec dismissed the tens of trillions of isk worth of damage inflicted by the New Order and other highsec PvP'ers. None of it counted.
W0lf Crendraven > dont you accuse AFKers of botting too?
Bing Bangboom > afkers are bot aspirants.
Bing Bangboom > they hide the bots by looking just like them
W0lf Crendraven > as ive said "highsecpvp"
W0lf Crendraven > i mainly dislike that you actually do the game a disserviceNext, W0lf blasted the New Order for driving away new players. It's a tired old line that carebears have been trotting out for years. They still use it, even though CCP scientifically and systematically debunked the myth seven months ago.
Bing Bangboom > how so?
W0lf Crendraven > we agree that eve is fun right?
W0lf Crendraven > and should stay around?
W0lf Crendraven > well, every newb has to start in highsec
Bing Bangboom > not exactly true but go on.
W0lf Crendraven > getting griefed all the time in highsec all the time
W0lf Crendraven > makes many people leave eve forever
Bing Bangboom > you know it was worse years ago.As Bing and other highsec PvP'ers know, highsec was much more dangerous in years past, before the nerfs. At that time, the number of subscribers was steadily growing. Indeed, EVE's numbers worsened while CCP was implementing the nerfs.
Bing Bangboom > and there were more players then
Bing Bangboom > all the nerfs to highsec pvp have made it less fun
W0lf Crendraven > no, eve is declining atm
W0lf Crendraven > and you are a cause of that
Bing Bangboom > do you think they should be able to mine safely, afk, in untanked ships?Here, W0lf parted ways with his fellow theme park advocates. Most carebearists say, "Keep ganking, but make it more difficult; don't allow it to be profitable." W0lf was in favor of ganking, but only if it made a profit. On the other hand, he wanted to ban freighter bumping, apparently not realizing it's part of a lucrative ganking method.
W0lf Crendraven > no, i dont mind suicide ganking for profit
W0lf Crendraven > if you make isk from it, the pure ganking its fine by me
Bing Bangboom > just not to save the game
W0lf Crendraven > but bumping and general griefplay is not along those lines
W0lf Crendraven > freighter bumping, miner bumping and so on
Bing Bangboom > Explain to me how what we are doing in not completely in line with the ideas that Eve was built on.One of the most revered EVE adages is that a player consents to PvP when he undocks. It has been publicly endorsed by CCP as a "Golden Rule of EVE". W0lf declared the rule to be as meaningless as highsec PvP.
W0lf Crendraven > choices
W0lf Crendraven > eve is all about choices
W0lf Crendraven > if anyone jumps into lowsec
W0lf Crendraven > they make a choice to go there
W0lf Crendraven > if they die its cause they jumped in
W0lf Crendraven > if someone goes yellow they made that choice
W0lf Crendraven > undocking is NOT a choice
Bing Bangboom > the game is shooting spaceshipsAs for all the things a miner should do to avoid being ganked? W0lf tossed them into the garbage, too. He was becoming as nihilistic as the miner who said ganks won't matter when the world ends.
Bing Bangboom > or avoiding being shot
Bing Bangboom > its not fly around making ISK and nobody bothers you.
W0lf Crendraven > but you and me both know a miner cannot avoud being shot
Bing Bangboom > 1) He can tank his ship, 2) he can pay attention and 3) he can buy a permitSome people say that the Code is nonsense. If you want to hear real nonsense, ask someone to defend the carebear philosophy. You'll be amazed by the things they come up with.
W0lf Crendraven > i agree with 1 and 2
W0lf Crendraven > 3 is griefing
Bing Bangboom > what if they want to make ISK in lowsec? Won't you shoot them if they come there and mine?
W0lf Crendraven > yes, but they know i can do that
W0lf Crendraven > and they can warp away
Bing Bangboom > and they know I can kill them here.
W0lf Crendraven > but they cannot run
Bing Bangboom > you seem to think highsec means safe. it just means different.Carebear logic is a tortured pretzel under the best of conditions. W0lf was unable to kill Bing because highsec rules made it too difficult to PvP him. At the same time, Bing was able to kill players because highsec PvP is too easy. On the other hand, highsec's the most dangerous place in EVE. Miners can run away in lowsec, but they can't in highsec, despite having CONCORD protection, which only protects the gankers--despite CONCORD killing gankers and not miners.
Bing Bangboom > Kill: Erick Andedare (Retriever) no permit
W0lf Crendraven > highsec is the least save place in eve imo
W0lf Crendraven > due to how retarded the rules are
Bing Bangboom > and yet, its the rules
Bing Bangboom > you follow them and we follow them.
W0lf Crendraven > and bumping is within the rules and still grieding
W0lf Crendraven > highsec pvp is for people who cannot pvp elsewhereIn short, W0lf had very strong feelings about highsec, but none of his feelings made any sense.
Bing Bangboom > interesting point of view
W0lf Crendraven > isnt mine, its all of eves POV concering highsec pvp
W0lf Crendraven > "control highsec", silly rper
Bing Bangboom > killing is how we do it.
W0lf Crendraven > but you rule nothing
W0lf Crendraven > it shighsec
W0lf Crendraven > *hhighsec
Bing Bangboom > Mom says dinner time... be back soonOur Agent survived the duel and won the debate. Now it was time to win the battle for Kino. He announced his imminent departure, which caused W0lf to leave the system. When the dust settled, Agent Bing Bangboom held the field.
W0lf Crendraven > and that sentence explains all
W0lf Crendraven > lol
Bing Bangboom > I'm back and he leftPeace and tranquility was restored to Kino. The local resistance movement yearned for a hero from lowsec to rescue them. What they didn't realize is that they already had a hero. His name was Bing Bangboom. He was right there all along!
Bing Bangboom > guess HE won't be saving Kino
rasputin2 > who?
Bing Bangboom > W0lf Crendraven
Bing Bangboom > he was here to kill me and save your worthless selves.
rasputin2 > we are not worthless we r worth 10mil each and u know it