Monday, September 1, 2014

The Carebears Killed Nullsec PvP

Another weekly dose of Sasha Nyemtsov to keep you going: Sasha has recorded the next section of the Manifesto II, originally written nearly two and a half years ago. This section relates to how the carebears' treachery and the risk/reward imbalance affects all areas of EVE, not just highsec.


It's remarkable how much progress we've made since the Manifesto II was written. At the time, most of its ideas were dismissed as crackpottery, tinfoil hattery, and nonsense. Today, they are accepted everywhere as conventional wisdom--by both the carebears and those who oppose them! The truth always wins out. Let that fill you with hope, if you're on the side of the New Order. Let it fill you with dread, if you're one who would deceive.

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  1. For those unable to listen:

    -Nullsec PvP was created by Null mining fleets being attacked/defended
    -Nullsec miners left Nullsec because Highsec mining was buffed to the point where it wasn't economically viable to mine in Nullsec
    -Highsec ore was buffed because Highsec carebears threatened to quit unless CCP buffed the ore, and CCP caved because they wanted the subscription money
    -Thus Highsec Carebears killed Nullsec PvP

    With that said, there is the push by CCP recently to move a lot of stuff to local production (so, local Null Production). As someone who does produce stuff in Nullsec though (or rather, would *like* to) I do find that minerals tend to be prohibitively expensive in Nullsec and it generally is cheaper to produce in Highsec and then import the finished product to Nullsec. A nice buff to that would be nice.

    Plus although I dislike mining, I have run defense for Highsec mining fleets before against war targets and It'd be fun to do that in Nullsec.

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    1. It really does depend on what you're building - The larger T1 ships are better built locally, while T2 ships without the required moon materials in the region will generally be better sourced from Jita and shipped up in bulk for a lot of runs. Assuming you have the T2 copies or better originals to build from.

      Even then, the profit margins can be tight unless you make use of the new teams and the bonuses from POS manufacturing.

      It was about time that building everything in high sec was nerfed with a heavy nerf bat.

      Now that manufacturing and refining in POS's actually makes sense to do - as long as you can defend it, I look forward to reading more Eve Stories about great wars in high sec, and the AFK player behaviour going out of fashion and being frowned upon, even more strongly.

      As CCP Falcon says, "If you can't defend it, you don't deserve it."

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    2. Plus the defense part of it tends to be the fun part. The only reason I even bother with carebearing is to fund the ships I intend to explode. If I just want to have an in-game number tick up by doing mindless repetitive things then I might as well go play a different game. (Don't get me wrong; there is some carebearing stuff that's not mindless repetitive things, but it's stuff like running null logistics where you actually have to think of what you're doing or you're going to end up as a very pretty killmail, rather than AFK mining or AFK hauling)

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  2. Isn't James the guy who wanted Titans removed from the game because he said they were too valuable to ever commit to a full fledged battle? Oops.

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  3. Found it....Oh dear....doesn't seem to make James 315 look very competent about nullsec at all..... http://themittani.com/features/james-315-how-fix-supercaps?page=0%2C0

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  4. Clearly you didn't read the article. It's only 6 pages. Try again.

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    1. From page 3 "The reason why supercaps tend not to die, particularly in large numbers, is that there is no counter to supercaps. Let's go back to the most basic idea of game mechanic balance. Three words: Rock, Paper, Scissors. What do you use to kill supercaps? Some will say that the counter to supercaps is supercaps. That's like saying the counter to Rock is Rock. In that case, everyone uses Rock, and the game is broken."

      Also, feel free to post with your name, Mr. Anonymous blogger too afraid to post with his in game character.

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    2. Ugh, I give up. Veers, you are a moron.

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    3. Generally, the views of Anonymous users who are afraid to post with their in game characters do not carry much weight.

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  5. Instead of shitting on highsec players, why don't you come visit null sec? Oh wait, carebears don't go to null.. just like you don't. I think that makes you carebears too.

    5ZXX-K. Mordus is waiting, come visit us

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  6. Veers, you make me sad sometimes. Also happy because I subsist on your delicious salty tears, but the stupidity which underlies the endless font of your tears is enough to make a caring, empathetic defender of highsec (such as myself) a little sad sometimes. Please be less dumb.

    James 315 raised an excellent point about the widespread harm that carebears have done, and continue to do, to the pvp game we all know and love by endlessly petitioning to tilt the risk/reward balance ever more in favor of highsec. Your response to that point is...to talk about another article James wrote. If you wanted to comment on that article, why not comment there? Mittens' blog also has a comment feature, that's not unique to minerbumping. So if you just wanted to talk about James' excellent observations about supers, why are you doing it in this specific place?

    But even if we ignored your uncanny ability to get lost online and comment on the wrong article, you seem to believe that James was mistaken in his point about supers: namely, that they would eventually tilt the field further and further toward their use, and eventually make subcaps irrelevant in the combat between the main nullsec power blocks. Except....this is exactly what's happening. I know, you don't see many supers in highsec, totally-not-carebearing by mining red crosses, but that doesn't mean they don't exist, or haven't had a tremendous (and tremendously negative) impact on the state of nullsec warfare. There is no shame in being ignorant. There is a lot of shame, however, in proudly trumpeting your ignorance as a rebuttal to another's wisdom.

    So please, Veers, please please *please*, be less dumb. But keep crying though.

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    1. Wow, this is one seriously confused post, do you happen to be an alt of Loyalanon?

      Since I have no tears to cry, I'm not sure what you are subsisting on. Does the placebo effect work for nutrition? The point I was making is that James 315 is utterly clueless about the game. He is like the guy who predicted the end of warfar in the spring 1914. He is deeply confused, somewhat irrational, and displays a fundamental lack of knowledge about Eve in general, and nullsec in particular. He somehow thinks that the broken sov mechanics, and the blobbing by his buddy The Mittani, which are by the far the greatest cause of stagnation in nullsec, are the fault of some poor miners and haulers who live in NPC corps in highsec. Could anyone possibly be that stupid?

      Supers today are exactly the opposite of what James predicted. They are rarely even used in nullsec, mostly kept hidden away for major fleet battles. And when they do come out, the carnage is spectacular, as they shoot each other. The problem with nullsec isn't supers, the problem with nullsec is panzy CEO's like the Mittani who are afraid to fight wars and commit them to the field.

      But please, keep amazing us with your vapid stupidity...at least you aren't down to the level of James 315 yet.

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    2. Sorry Veers. I have to call bullshit on your statement of supers are hidden away. I live in provi (my main) and we get dropped by supers all the time... why? Cause they are fucking bored and are dying to use their supers on ANYTHING.

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    3. Titan fleets, or a few lonely supercarriers? And Provi is a bit pathetic because the locals have basically given up on defending themselves (see my killboard). There are certainly no major Titan on Titan engagements there.

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    4. We comment anonymously, and Veers cries: "Why won't you post with your in-game name? Not gonna listen because [rabble rabble rabble]"

      We comment with our in-game names, and Veers cries: "You're an alt! Not gonna listen because [rabble rabble rabble]"

      It's impossible to please a carebear.

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    5. It was tongue in check, idiot.... And I did listen to your points, and then I refuted them. Also, when 50% of your original post was just vapid insults, you should expect some jawing back. If you notice I don't haze the people who stay on topic.

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    6. Half my OP was actually me wondering why you ignored the content of what James is quoted as having said in this post (re: carebears, skewing the risk/reward balance in favor of highsec, and its negative impact on nullsec pvp). Must've missed the "refutation".

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    7. Like this first paragraph?

      "Veers, you make me sad sometimes. Also happy because I subsist on your delicious salty tears, but the stupidity which underlies the endless font of your tears is enough to make a caring, empathetic defender of highsec (such as myself) a little sad sometimes. Please be less dumb."

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