Thursday, September 25, 2014

The Truth Revealed About the Permaban Wave

Yes, it's my long-awaited post about the recent wave of permabans, some of which hit members of CODEdot and the New Order. CCP was unwilling to make any information about this public, and they stonewalled the CSM members who asked, so it took quite a while to finally get a full picture.

The article is available at TheMittani.com. It's not a quick news piece; it's a commentary with history, context, and all the fixin's. In order to keep the article lean and mean, I condensed and/or omitted some of the topics I was going to cover. (Those subjects may reappear in future articles or MinerBumping posts.)

Without further ado, the post. You can either click on the link, or the picture of my face. I recommend clicking my face.

128 comments:

  1. Great article, very well written.

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  2. CCP has done a very "good" job of steering the narrative of the event away towards E1's activities.

    Nevermind that a lot of these guys weren't involved in anything more than the in-game scamming/assets portion of it... but the narrative and the general response by the community has been one of delight (since E1 is so despised). The carebears are literally so offended at the Bonus Room that they will actually project that hurt and anger onto people unrelated to it.

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    1. This exactly. The reddit thread is full of people actually proud that they didn't bother to read the article yet still wholeheartedly against it. How's that for intellectual dishonesty?

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    2. Reddit is the god of fuckSeptember 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

      That's reddit for you.

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    3. Alot of people are already too butthurt about the New Order that they cant/wont read it because of said butthurt.

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  3. 11800 tears is "lean and mean", LOL.

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  4. I'm disappointed
    But because I love highsec
    I'll fight the good fight

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    1. Together we march
      Forever undefeated
      Fighting for hisec

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    2. sixteen pages long
      sixteen filters separate
      Gallant from Goofus

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  5. In non-haiku:

    I'm disappointed with the direction in which CCP seems to want to take the game. If they want a themepark, they should just say so explicitly so we can make an informed decision about whether to keep playing. Instead CCP Falcon is singing paeans to the inherent dangerousness and grittiness of eve one day, then defending bans for scamming-by-association the next. And the opacity of the process isn't helping anyone, either. They're free to make their game be whatever they want, but I'd love a bit of honesty about what they plan to do and where they plan to go. Until then, I'll be eyeing replacements for eve and seeing if anything else similarly complex and dangerous comes along. The more CCP lowers that bar, the easier finding a replacement will get.

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    1. In game.... Can you punch him in the face in game would be the correct question.

      FTFY and saved you the ban for out of game harassment and threats.

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    2. Actually, I cannot be banned for what I post on here. My actual in-game character is different than what I use on the community sites, and there is no connection between them.

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    3. There is probably more of a connection than you think. And CCP have proven that they don't need or particularly care about compelling evidence. All it would take is an influential person with a vendetta and access to the IP address logs on the sites you post on.

      Now maybe you're starting to understand why this is a concern for everyone, not just for the NO.

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    4. Clara is right. Your IP address is all over your posts, Butthurt - all it takes is one person to feel that your constant spamming of goatse qualifies as real life abuse and a report to CCP including the IP address your posts are coming from and you very well could find yourself banned.

      This is, of course, insane. Too bad the carebears don't understand that they might find themselves on the wrong side of this insanity.

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    5. You are a real simpleton aren't you Butthurt Miner?

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    6. Actually, I post here on a proxy, which is a way different IP address than my home network subnet. But I digress. Let's get to the heart of the issue. You can mark this on your calendar DJ: I agree with you on this issue as it's presented, if James isn't blowing smoke out of his ass. Getting banned for what someone else did is insane. Apparently, all you need to do is talk to them, or sit idle in a channel with them. With a standard like that, nobody is safe. However, I'm pretty sure that the truth is somewhere in between.

      This is of course assuming that James 315 isn't lying about it...

      BM

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    7. Of course, this would be done assuming you used an Anonymous proxy server to generate a new TCP port number when accessing said Uniform resource Locator.

      In short, proper proxy servers can be configured with basic rules of what ports or IP addresses are or are not allowed to pass through which makes it a type of basic firewall.

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  7. first time i realy enjoyed an article of james, even if its is very very long.

    ps:
    you guys touched my alts barge in a bad spot. **** you pices of ****

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  8. I cant understand u guys. I mean, u can gank barges, freighters, bump, awox... the carebears can cry, but everyone knows, this style of gamplay is part of the sandbox and (like u say) creating content. So why do u weight in for (more or less) creepy stuff... Falcon also posted about ganking, it was posted here. Its wellcome by CCP.

    Stick with your ganking, try to rule hi-sec, what is great content to the game. But that CCP dont want to see their game as a base for borderline psychological games is nothing more than. reasonable.

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    1. ^^ This ^^ a thousand times. But unfortunately there are many who are too stupid to understand.

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    2. You guys are both really dumb. Why? Because you've fallen for the CCP-version narrative, which is that people got banned for the teamspeak bit.

      Most of the people banned had nothing to do with the harassment and the bonus room.

      This article: "A guy that maybe harassed people and his 24 friends who didn't got banned for harassing people."

      You: "Lol good harassment is bad."

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    3. You are really dumb. Why? Because you've fallen for the ganker-version narrative, which is that people got banned for absolutely no reason.

      Most of the people banned had harassed the shit out of other people out of game.

      This article: "Yada yada yada boo hoo hoo CCP chose who they do business with and don't like assholes who use EvE as a hunting ground to harass people."

      You: "OMFG EvE is now a themepark."

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  9. @Maria, please leaver more earlier than later an take more code-monkeys with you.

    This has been thoroughly discussed in the eve forums. In the End this are just ganker tears (yummy) and more lame excuses.CCP this, GM that and the grey area is a line not known and CCP is evil and mean to poor gankers and scammers. And blame ripard tek!
    Do you have any idea how stupid this textmoloch apears? No, of course not.
    Its an ocean of tears of James and his new monkeys.
    Will change nothing and will not put those guys in better light.

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    1. CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909September 25, 2014 at 7:52 PM

      Can you please rephrase this coherently. I am not trying to belittle your attempts at the English language, but at least use spaces after a period. Oh and get names right. Regardless, thanks for you input. Your tears have been filed away.

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    2. What did you just say?
      No, I'm not calling you out...
      it's incoherent

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    3. This has not been discussed thoroughly on the forums at all. Many of us tried to get a discussion, but the responses were oft little more than childish insults and accusations of 'tears' from people like yourself who aren't interested in thorough discussion at all. Did you even read the article? Do you know what it says? It says that just by being associated with someone that is thought to have done something wrong, CCP might decide to ban you too, whether you've done something wrong or not.

      It doesn't matter who wrote it, what matters is the content. If you can't get past your blind hatred and limited perspective, you will be the reason EVE dies.

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    4. Tears and fears of the griefers.
      More FUD.
      No changes, all has been discussed in the Forums, still, some guys do not want to accept the realyity. Well it is not my problem.
      The hammer has fallen!
      Griefers are banned.

      And...
      ... EvE is dying!
      i am loling so hard here...

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  10. Considering grey areas, lines and rules CCP Falcon was clear:
    Anyone with half a brain would understand.
    That brings up a question:
    How many code-monkeys are needed, to form half a brain?

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    1. Clarity is not correctness.
      Understanding is not truth.
      Monkeys are not people.

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    2. with cataracts one
      can see blurred lines as sharp, and
      injustice virtue

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    3. Just remember, these code monkies Dont have real families in real life

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    4. Anonymous abuse > poetry > poetry > anonymous abuse. Pretty much sums up the state of the two parties.

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    5. DJ Entropie ...
      this name?
      Wasn't there someone in EvE who was hit by the ban-hammer?
      LOL

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  11. very interesting read. Not happy with the direction CCP is going.

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  12. James tears. Best tears

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  13. Click on your article, got a 502 error. Another victory for the New Order

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  14. Another great, albeit somewhat depressing article from the Saviour of Highsec

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  15. Great article, of course.
    One thing that annoys me a lot in this whole affair is lack of transparency and absence of well-defined ban appeal process. Even worse: as it seems, CCP is inclined to keep as much of uncertainty as possible to avoid being held accountable. Ultimately, it'll lead to no good.

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  16. More tears from CODEdot is always welcome :)

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  17. I read quite a bit before the website crapped out on page 12. In a way, I have to agree with James 315 on much of what he said with the following exception:

    Voice Comms, voice comms is considered to be real life and subject to local, state, and federal laws of whatever country you are in. Here in the United State, Team Speak can be considered the same thing as a telephone. If someone starts harassing you over the phone, you can legally do something about it. The perpetrator can be fined or sent to jail for awhile.

    Even though the method of voice transmission has changed over the years, voice communication is still voice communication regardless of it being a land line phone, a cell phone, ventrillo, team speak, skype, vontage, magic jack, or whatever. In the case of vent, ts, and skype, one can call the police and have an investigation launched. The police will find out who the other person is and go have a chat with them. It has happened a number of times in the past.

    Since the internet is global, what laws apply when people are in different countries with different laws? We are now 20+ years into global communication on the internet and many of these jurisdictional issues still have yet to be resolved.

    As for James 315's post (upto and including page 12), I think it is wrong to ban someone for something they "might" have done. Guilt by association isn't enough. You have to prove, with evidence, that they did something wrong. Just having someone idle in a channel doesn't constitute evidence. Furthermore, punishing someone for something that someone else did is also wrong. "If the glove doesn't fit, then you must acquit" is the famous quote from Johnny Cochran who was a member of the so called "Dream Team" during the O.J. Simpson trial during the 1990's. So unless someone gave CCP a recording of a teamspeak conversation, CCP has no basis from which to investigate a rules violation if the alleged violation happened in a venue which CCP has no control of.

    Another issue that I have is having the same GM that handed out the bans also process the appeals. That's like getting convicted in a court of law, going to jail, and then having the same judge who convicted you also hear your appeal. There needs to be a change to the way that tickets are assigned to GMs so that when a player is appealing a permaban, a different GM is assigned to the case.

    This assumes, of course, that James 315 isn't talking out of his ass.

    No trolling this time folks.

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    1. This is exactly the kind of conclusion any reasonable person would come to if they gave the argument an intellectually honest chance. This debate is too clouded by emotions for the average forum jockey to participate in, but they are the ones that scream the loudest.

      The game is actually being seriously damaged, a dangerous precedent is being set by GMS and defended by the playerbase, and nobody seems to care.

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    2. Sooooo who, exactly, is hurting the game? The people who are minding their own business, or sociopathic people like you who do terrible shit like this in the name of "content"?

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    3. See, you don't even know me, but you're accusing me of being a sociopath. And you actually mean it. You literally think I'm a sociopath.

      If that doesn't strike you as a bit of an extreme position, we don't have much else to discuss.

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    4. CCP hurts the game by not establishing anything close to sensible rule, fail to explain the reasons behind bans and has no established appeal process.

      In other words: it you're visible, somebody won't like you. Now depending on how close/eloquent this "somebody" is, you can be banned by CCP without reason. CCP actions promote mediocrity. Essentially, "minding one's own business", turning MMO game into a single-player one.

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    5. CCP has every right to do what they please in their game. If they Dont like a certain group or their actions, they can ban them on any offence they can find. Eve is better off with out them and the community won't disappear if people quit en masse. Just means more isk for me. Stop acting like CCP will bend over for you for a couple iskies. They've shown they Dont want you so why fight it? Why stay? Call your bank and say its fraud (eve) get your money back and move on in fucking life. Go away.

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    6. Anon 11:40 I do agree with you for the most part but you must understand something. These sociopaths Dont like to be called that because they are in denial. But they justify their ISIS state of mind by hiding behind game mechanics and content, according to them. So trying to convince them of their sociopathic ways is really a waste of time.

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    7. On the phone harassment point, you are right, but there still needs to be something that can justifiably be called harassment. Every definition I've been able to find, including those from advocate groups, include some version of "repeated", "pursued" etc.

      You try reporting that you dialled into a conference call for a competition, stayed on the call longer than you would have liked despite being able to hang up at any time, got really mad when you finally realised you weren't going to win, and then were never pursued or contacted again.

      Threats of harm are also just as illegal on the phone as in person, but we all know how well CCP sweeps that under the bed when it's not done by NO members.

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    8. The saddest thing, Anon 11:48, is that you seem to literally believe that space mormon roleplayers have the same mindset as a real world terrorist group that beheads real world people. You need to go outside.

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    9. Well, Clara Pond, I was trolling when I made the comparison between CODE and Islamic terrorist groups. However, with the number of nuts in the world today, you never know who is stable and who can't separate fantasy from reality.

      To change the subject, Gorila Vengaza has posted on the subject from a different perspetive here: http://gankerbumping.blogspot.com/2014/09/james-315-publishes-his-new-book-of.html?showComment=1411691107083#c2302995764427017618.

      Ok, the real link is here. I couldn't resist the troll.

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    10. It's ok, there's no chance I was going to click on a gankerbumping link anyway. I need to read Gorila's barely-literate porridge like I need to iron my genitals.

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    11. Anon 11:40, you're missing James 315's point.
      The mere fact that CCP has the right to do whatever they want in their game does not mean that it's a wise thing to do. James 315 does not question legality of CCP's actions. He says that CCP actions lack integrity and consistency.

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    12. Forgive me, i am a dumbass and i do agree that CODEdot fully supports and endorses ISIS

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    13. I'm pretty sure impersonation is a EULA violation. I feel harassed.

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    14. Actually dumbass, only on CCP controlled media is impersonation illegal. So stop grabbing straws to prove a falsified moot point in your sociopathic mind.

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    15. "If I can only insult the person I'm pretending to be fast enough and often enough, I'll prove that she's rude and thoughtless...this is bound to work."

      =

      Carebear logic.

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    16. "If I yell game mechanics and content loud enough during my masturbation periods, I can never get in trouble for atrocious behavior in a video game!" -sociopaths

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    17. I think calling mining in EVE "masturbation" is a bit too strong language, although it is quite accurate.

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    18. See butthurt you can be intelligent and reasonable which just confuses me. Why do you get little stiffies over your self-proclaimed "trolling"? Trolling is not what you think it is. Slamming your own head repeatedly in a car door then saying "heheh I am damaging your car hehehh" just makes people pity you.

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    19. Clara, I'll start warming up the iron...

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    20. Anonymous September 26, 2014 at 8:00 AM:

      So why you are so confused about my capabilities for intelligent and reasonable arguments? There's nothing mysterious about what I do. I've said it before that I'm an engineer. It's a job that requires a certain level of intelligence which is beyond most CODEdot agents. And yes, that was an insult to CODEdot agents (couldn't resist). However, this issue is serious enough that there should be intelligent discussion and debate within the community. Before you ask, I am capable of intelligent discussion and debate. This is one of the rare instances that I deem it necessary...at least on this blog.

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  18. 16 Page article? fuck no.

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    1. Consider the length of the article as a gate that keeps the lazy, disinterested, or uncommitted out of the argument. "You must be this dedicated in order to participate."

      There's no shame in saying TL;DR. I don't blame you. Just don't consider yourself to have a valid position on the argument, because you can't without putting in the time.

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    2. How do people like you get through school or life if you can't even read 16 pages without becoming bored or disinterested? I guess your attention span is the 2 minutes it takes you to jack off to porn.

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    3. To be fair, Gretchen, there are plenty of topics I couldn't make it through 16 pages of without my eyes glossing over. This is a game (or metagame), and one ought only do the things that one enjoys. Not reading James' article doesn't compare well to a job or school which aren't done primarily for enjoyment.

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    4. Going to have to jump in here.

      Sure, maybe comparing this to school or employment is not the best way to go - but if 16 pages (and these are small pages) is too much for someone to handle... it's like a litmus test to see if they really should be involved in discussing this in the first place :)

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    5. Because if you're not prepared to read an excessively long, laborious and biassed opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to discuss it or voice your own opinion?

      I can see why you've chosen to associate yourself with a group that calls themselves the New Order, you fit it perfectly with their ideologies and "political" system.

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    6. Yes to have to read the Book of tears, the ocean of tears from some thats states to tell the truth.
      Fuck!
      There is no more truth, only biased RUMORS.
      No i am not tearing here, i am smilling a very evil smile at those aaah so pooooor griefers. oooh go to mummy.
      And better stop playing EvE:
      Maybe the game is not for you.

      So nice to laugh down at you guys.

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    7. If you haven't read it, how do you know it's "an excessively long, laborious and biassed [sic] opinion"?

      Mature discussion requires all parties to understand each others' arguments. You cannot hope to debate whether or not CCP's stance on rule enforcement is healthy for EVE if you're not willing to even educate yourself on some high profile precedents.

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    8. @ Anon 12:10 PM

      You have committed a major fallacy in equating the dismissal of reading James 315's 11,000 words of bias with being "not willing to even educate yourself on some high profile precedents". Whilst I suggest that people give his article at least a cursory glance, it's common practice to quickly dismiss the more militant and extreme opinion. The inherent and obvious bias overwhelms any purported fact or logic. It's often better to use your time to read a more reasoned and less biassed opinion.

      And yes I said biassed too. I found it highly amusing that you talk about educating oneself and then try to be smartarse by pointing out what you believe to be a spelling mistake. Maybe try educating yourself regarding the perfectly valid British spelling of an English word, before trying to come across as being smarter or more educated than others. It's most apparent that you aren't.

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    9. Dismissing != not reading. If you have read the article yet don't agree with it, then I suspect we can have a mature debate on the matter. James has reason to be biased but that certainly doesn't "overwhelm" the facts he has posted. Any spin applied can be removed by viewing the facts from a different perspective or by introducing certain facts originally omitted. I must say I find it somewhat odd that CCP have permabanned several players for harassment when there doesn't appear to be any incident where another player was harassed.

      As for the "biased" thing, I can't say I've ever seen the other version used in print. I find it odd that your source states that it's commonly used in British English but the Oxford English dictionary appears to have omitted it.

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  19. The expression "pearls before swine" has never been more apt, James. We can only hope that while the 99% squawk and scratch in the henyard, the 1% will include some who can make a change to help correct CCP's descent into frightened, desperate totalitarianism.

    Thank you also for drawing attention to the plight of those undeservedly banned. They are missed.

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    1. I know I mixed my metaphors there, it just shows how stressful this all is.

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    2. No clary nobody will seriously missed.
      And to be clear: maybe its more pearls written for swines than anything else.
      ;)
      Jimmy wrote "Eve is dying" you need to leave early.

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    3. Go home Clara, its time for your meds.

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    4. thanks! you were faster!
      lol
      meds...

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  20. Bans nerfs and other such ccp intervention is just a part of the meta. In the real world its government s in eve its ccp. A ban is just part of the game it sucks but Its life. Same idea with botting rouge element s exist in the world and they exist in eve.

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    1. "You're going to jail forever for something you did in another country, and no we are not going to tell you or anyone else what you did wrong oh also no appeals.

      This is fine because it's all common sense damn it's lucky we all share the same social norms."

      No it's not the same.

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    2. So getting a player baned is any diffrent then scamming them. I dont see any difrance either you win or you lose but it is just another tool in the arsenal.

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  22. I did not even notice it was 16 pages. I thought it was well written had had some valid points.

    The comments left behind I found disturbing... the fact that most people can't take the time... what 10-15 mins to read this and yet feel free to comment negatively on it gives a fairly good indication on how fucked up they are.
    Knee jerk reaction... "Oh! james 315 wrote that? Fuck that, he has no clue so I can't be bothered."
    It's like people who bitch about who won the election but did not get up off their fat ass to vote. If you can't take the time to check it out, you sure as hell should not be bitching about it.

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    1. Which election process do you refer Colonel? I'm just curious.

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    2. Canadian... we have poor turn outs all the time... people bitch, you ask if they voted and the answer is usually no.

      I would guess it's pretty much the same in a lot of countries.

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  23. More related to some of the comments here than the article (which was great though a little long), but it always amuses me when ppl talk about "sociopaths" in-game when a big chunk of pilots are Amarrian i.e. "uber-Catholic slave-trading space Nazis" (as was once memorably described in Rookie Help).

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  24. An epic piece of eve history. Amazing the amount of information that is there. My only question is, when can we start petitioning to get DJ back?

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    1. Thank you so much, Roland. That means a lot to me. I never once "harassed" anyone, either in-game or out-of-game. Sure, I made some enemies during my time - but that's all part of the game. I played a role that is 100% within the guidelines of the EULA, and not once did I engage in any behavior that in any way violates the EULA.

      Of course, I won't discuss any of the actual specifics about this - as I am confident that CCP will come to their senses at some point, they usually do.

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    2. You can see here and on the tmc article that the majority of thoughtful, considered readers are in your corner DJ, and the opposition is mostly hurfblurfers. We can only hope that sanity prevails, and we won't stop making noise about it. I started my Tumblr for that purpose.

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    3. that concludes, that the majority of answers is not written by thoughtfull posters...

      yeah, well, griefers and how they see the world.

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    4. Thanks, Clara. I've been contacted by many players, and a fair amount of them are people that in no way support the New Order. The reality is - I don't even know why I was banned. CCP is silent on the manner.

      So, while I wait for some form of sanity to kick in over in Iceland, I've been keeping super busy with other games i've been neglecting. Wasteland 2 just went final, and it's wonderful :-)

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  25. "CCP also has the right to be rational and enforce the rules in a way that benefits their customers. I think they should exercise that right, don't you?"

    So when the customers are gankers CCP should support them in ways that benefit them, but when the customers are miners CCP should tell them to bugger off and just deal with things.

    That about sums up your nonsense.

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    1. Here's the difference between you and James 315.
      He's advocating justice for all players in Eve universe.
      You're biased against gankers and allow selective punishment of that group.

      He's fighting for the highsec.
      You're fighting for your own virtual pocket.

      He's an altruist.
      You're an egotist.

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    2. Not the first time I've heard a megalomaniac described by his peons, henchmen and lackeys as an altruist.

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    3. I guess you agree with rest of my comment then.

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    4. Pretty sure nowhere in that article J calls for punitive measures against miners so theres a logical fallacy straight away. You presume too much. Why do you assume J would not defend any pilot who got banned under this ridiculous policy?

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  26. 16 pages of the finest code tears that will fuel the upstanding, honorable and righteous AG community for a long time. I am Butthurt no longer.

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    1. Try to not dribble in your keyboard too much Dryson. This issue affects all eve players, but if people getting banned who have nothing to do with any of this seems fine to you, then maybe you should consider not playing?

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    2. It will not effect all EvE players. griefers are a minority. narcistic sadists who want to believe they are the center of everything. welcome back to reality.

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    3. and I bet you read none of it

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    4. I savored every last drop of James sweet 'n' sour tears so yes I did read it. I yelled PWNED BITCH after every page. However, it is better that James 315 pours his tears out on The Shittani's website, than beat his boyfriend or hit his buttbaby kids in tear soaked frustration.

      Gankers, tear collectors, psychopathic bonus roomers and RL harassing players are a detestable, pestilential cancer on Eve. Our petitions shall blot out the sun in Uedema until our right to a 100% safe high sec is guaranteed. We are righteous and the AG community is above reproach, so we have no worry about being banned.

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    5. wow you really take this personally dontcha little fella

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    6. WOW! DB sure has issues! LOL! The AG community is above reproach... that's is funny.

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    7. How DARE you. If you want to see issues then you just got one Miss FalkenTURD. I will be looking for you in game and introducing your scrub ass to some real elite top level PvP. DrysonBennington is NOT a man to be messed with. (you certainly don't want to mess with DrysonBennington - definitely not to mess with DrysonBennington)

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    8. LMFAO!!!

      Real or fake, +1 for giving me a good laugh!

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  27. Our saviour is always the voice of freedom and reason. As for my part, I will continue bumping miners and praising James. Right up until I get banned because a miner/rebel does something 'stupid' and my pixels get the blame for torture.

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  28. Your mindset seems really to be that CCP is your enemy, so why u stay in this game when its all so wrong? (Besides that falcon was your big hero a mere month ago).

    Try to gather ppl helping u to unban these banned ones, not many will raise their voice bec nobody cares, unlike with the guy banned for bumping, where a lot spoke up.

    You are of no importance to eve, feel free to leave anytime.

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    1. If you look at the up votes most do not agree with you.

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  29. Upvotes? What percentage of eve players do you think are following this quarrel? Its really a sidetrack, even if it may seem like the center of the universe for the ppl engaged...

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  30. I will never give any more money to CCP while EVE is arbitrated by a secretive moral compass of convenience shaped and wielded by the crusading CCP Falcon.

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  31. @ Graic: well said, good riddance!

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  32. Read it, disagree with most of it. Unfortunatly you come across as someone who dislikes CCP, is no fan of the game and wants to troll the game because your bored of the elements provided to you.
    I support the code because I like doing my thing in Hi Sec while dodging you and your fellow crazy people (i find RPing a bit weird), its more exciting. However the more you post on things from an out of game perspective the more it seems you just want EVE to be 4Chan in a game. CCP have to work with both sides of the argument, carebears and you lot alike and trying to balance it cant be easy.
    Anything taken out of the game and therefor out of CCP's control is going to be policed alot more harshly because if the slightest hint of it gets in the popular press and everyone in the real world gets in a rage and politicians start kicking off then CCP will still be blamed for it. Not having control of TeamSpeak is of no consiquence to the general public who dont understand and therefor CCP have to be seen to be taking care of buisness. As unfair as you think it is coming down really hard on a number of players is the best way to save EVE from a load of right wing nutjobs.
    Its the real world and it sucks that it intrudes on a game because people dont 'get it' but there isnt much anyone can do.

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  33. Thank you for writing the piece. I haven't been playing EvE very long and much of its history is "new" to me.

    One of the aspects I like about EvE is the option to play the villain. Of course there are limits to how far you can take this. Unfortunately CCP lacks the will to make clear what those limits are and this essay shows that CCP is moving on a very slippery slope.

    Banning players merely by guilty of association creates an atmosphere of uncertainty and fear within the player base. It has become clear that as a player you are not safe from the banhammer even when you are not participating in "questionable" actions outside the game.

    I am afraid that the road CCP is taking with the recent bans is only the start of even more strict suppression of out of game activities to come.

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  34. this all just seems like another good reason to stay off fucking voice comms...

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  35. CCP owned and griefers are crying on ocean of teaars.

    This is so sweat!
    Lez modify again:
    CODE. is dying

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    1. fourteen syllable
      haiku - anon invents a
      new way to retard

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    2. this are tears in haiku form!
      ;)
      this one is very hard stressed.
      do not be angry.
      CODE. is dying and vanishing into irelevance
      this is the place where you already are.

      btw: did you take your meds yet?

      clary; GR GR GR some more.

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    3. Ken from MaintenenceSeptember 26, 2014 at 4:45 PM

      Yep, buckets and buckets of tears. Lots of them in the forums too.
      The griefer entitlement mentality is so fragile.

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  36. This article: "A guy that maybe harassed people and his 24 friends who didn't got banned for harassing people."

    Carebears: "Lol good! Harassment is bad."

    AG: "Code Tears"

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  37. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5054331#post5054331

    excellent comment on topic btw

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  38. The EVE-O "threadnought" in GD discussing Jester's E1 tanty - 381 pages and only closed after an official statement from CCP.

    The EVE-O thread in GD discussing James 315 treatise - shunted to "My EVE" and unceremoniously closed by page 3.

    Just saying.

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    1. Nobody ever said that Iceland makes sense.

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    2. All was discussed was in the first threadnought. The book of tears tried to ignore the facts pointed out in this thread. So the the additional try for propaganda failed after page 2 when pro E1 and wannabee FUD creators where out of arguments and went directly to "ad hominem" attacks.
      Another Fail in a row of Fails in short succession for CODE.

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  39. The article was a good read. Many who have not been around from the beginning of EvE should take the time to read the article. I have no loyalties one way or the other. I've donated to Code contests on one hand, and tried (miserably) white knighting on the other. The one very sad narrative of these comments is the comparison to RL in regards to any of it. I don't think CCP owes the community an explanation, but the banned players should have been told exactly what they did. That information would have got around the community. Right or wrong it would give others a measuring stick of what not to do with EvE content outside the client itself.

    Myles Wong

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  40. My favorite part is that the people who claim "real life" anything with regard to eve are the same ones who say "ccp can do/ban what they want! it's their game". So, CCP is a company which apparently runs an online video game arena about real life harassment and law breaking, but they shouldn't have to answer to any outside authority whatsoever about what happens to people in this arena or why? Seems legit.

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