Sunday, January 13, 2013

Banning Spaceship Combat, Part 2


The perpetually beleaguered SPIONKOP was disappointed to hear that ganking miners is not against the EULA. But as it became clear that the rebels were not able to prevent miners from being ganked, they increasingly looked to CCP for salvation.


Renorion objected to the fact that people with negative sec status are able to fly ships in highsec, even if it's only for a few seconds.


To Aramis Rosicrux, it didn't make sense that people should be allowed to gank. If people can shoot each other, why work honestly for isk?


Rebel miners are starting to come to the conclusion that a complete takeover of highsec by the New Order is possible, perhaps even likely. The malcontents gathered in Chelien system to hold an impromptu conference on the matter. Would CCP step in?


Foremost among their concerns: The fate of new players. Apparently "new players" are all flying around in 200 million isk exhumers.


Resistance fighters expressed hope that CCP would feel financial pressure to shut down the New Order. But is there evidence of any new players leaving EVE because they lost 500 million worth of implants while AFK?


Rusty James brought hope to his companions. He explained that shooting miners in highsec may, in fact, be against the EULA. All they could do was wait and see.


redorbs3 spun a sob story in local about a new player who was prevented from mining 100 units of veldspar. This unnamed new player only had a Vexor to mine with, and lacked 10 million isk for a permit. Of course, Vexors cost 10 million isk in Jita, and they're not mining ships, but whatever.


I like how as soon as redorbs3 makes an excuse for forgetting the miner's name, he immediately has to make another excuse for not getting good video of the incident. Why bring up the video at all?


Local rebels shared their respective petition statuses. Who says the miners never do anything together?


After the Dust settles, Rusty hopes CCP will finally make a definitive announcement about whether it's against the EULA to shoot spaceships in a spaceship-shooting game. If, as Rusty expects, it's declared illegal, will the New Order have to pay back all those mining permits? Such are the dreams of the anti-Order movement. No wonder the New Order is always racking up victories.

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  1. >Of course, Vexors cost 10 million isk in Jita, and they're not mining ships, but whatever.

    We are talking about an alleged new player here. I know I flew worse when I was new.

    At the same time, how long could he go AFK for before his cargo hold filled ?

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    1. If he needed 100 units of Veld for his mission, the ore he needed to mine would've been in a mission deadspace area, not in a belt.

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    2. Or, perhaps, some friendly miners who witnessed the alleged "incident" (yeah, nothing happened) could have helped out a newbie. They didn't, surprise, surprise.

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    3. It's their nature. Instead of actually doing something about it, they choose to be victims. In not helping out a new player they have forced that choice on to someone that probably isn't aware of the options available. It's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken, but often by the time someone that is willing to help that person meets them, they're already entrenched in the ways of their fellow victims.

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    4. Mallak all of the "Materials for War" storyline missions are actually trade missions.

      There is no deadspace or destination besides the agent itself. They can get that veldspar in any way they can, buy it, mine it, steal it, etc.

      The only exception to this is the very first set of tutorial mining missions. Otherwise the mining missions would use some sort of nonsense ore that can't be found anywhere besides the specific deadspace.

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  2. The only people giving EVE a bad reputation as a game where vets pick on newbies are the people who falsely masquerade as newbies. You will find that a lot of people who do wrong by a legitimate newbie will reimburse the newbie for losses, plus interest & teach the newbie how to avoid such circumstances in the future because we understand the importance of player retention.

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    1. The bad reputation comes from bad players. Players, who still think of it as a victory when they have lost and while their loss was less than that of their enemy. Bad losers fail to see when both sides have lost. They then twist every loss into an alleged win and as a consequence of their greed to win do they fail to see when they have truly won. They then fail to change their ways to become true winners and it begins to depress and spoils the good fun of the remaining players.

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    2. Anonymous, you, like many before you on this site, speak of balls yet you, like many before you on this site, are apparently too chicken to post a comment that has your in-game name.

      Talk to me again about balls?

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    3. Ack, that was actually directed at the next guy called Anonymous. Or perhaps it's the same guy, given that neither of you have anything substantive to say; it's all whining.

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    4. I admit that having balls and being plain stupid is what I am confusing here. Why should anyone tell me who they are when I am as dumb as this? Duh.

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  3. If CCP decides to do something then it is not because you have been shooting space ships. You know this just as well as everybody else.

    What people don't get is why you keep being such creeps who cannot admit that they are doing more than just shooting space ships. After all, botters have always only been mining rocks or shooting rats, too...

    Not having the balls to admit your grief play is what you need to worry about.

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    1. Griefing in EVE falls under a very strict definition. Griefers get banned & none of us have been banned.

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    2. No. They don't get banned. We would not want this The worst cases get warned and only if they cannot stop and insist on their ways will they get temp bans. It is a long way to get really banned for good.

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    3. I've never been warned for my activites in several years of doing it. Why? Because my activities aren't griefing in EVE.

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    4. CCP themselves already said its not griefing. When will these pathetic "victims" wake up to reality? Or will they continue to insist that everyone else is wrong and that their opinion is the gospel truth?

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  4. "If CCP decides to do something then it is not because you have been shooting space ships. You know this just as well as everybody else."

    Oh, please do tell us all about how we're shooting spaceships wrong.

    EVE is a game in which you win by griefing them better than they grief you.

    -Galaxy Pig

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  5. This post was starring some quintessential carebears indeed. When asked if they did anything to help, he responds with a shrug and "I filed a petition..." That is their default approach to problem solving, file a petition, their go-to, fix-all, secret weapon, cry for help.

    -Pig

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    1. well since they put all their skill training into industry, it's all they can do.

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  7. Ermmm ... new mining players these days Ventures, not Vexors.

    A much better ship for that purpose.

    The New Order also invites ALL new players to start a Gallente pilot. After two days of training, we will have you ganking miners. Great sport for new players.

    Anyone can help, and we do not discriminate against inexperienced players.

    Oh, and for your amusement, a 7 year old girl being filmed blowing up miners with destroyers.

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    1. That same child ran for CSM 7 via proxy (her father) :D.

      What I'm finding amusing is all the "if you keep on ganking us we'll stop mining, and all your ships will increase in price" posts on Eve-O, miners seem to think that they're the only ones capable of wielding a mining laser or flying an exhumer, little do they realise that they are an easily replaceable commodity, many many older players have unsubbed mining accounts or flew mining barges in their early days. They also don't seem to realise that some of the gankers are alts of miners and industrialists that are taking the opportunity to remove their competition or cash in on the increased demand for both gank ships and their prey.

      Casa

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    2. Yes because obviously all gankers are evil, miserable, hateful people IRL! So, that little girl must just be such a horrible person!

      Not to mention her dad. I mean, my god! Actually enjoying a game of make believe spaceships with his daughter? He should be locked up for being such a bad parent. Someone report him to child services immediately!

      Don't they know how 'serious business' EvE is!11!1!!!!

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    3. >easily replaceable commodity
      mining.
      it's a boring job that few "older players" have the patience for (otherwise they would not have gotten into pvp)
      also it's impossible for a few or even all the "older players" to replace systems full of equally old miners who instead of pvp have trained industrial their whole careers. (and it's equally ridiculous to make those miners fill the shoes of the old pvpers. the point is moot)
      nonetheless, the market equilibrium we have at the moment depends on miners, who facilitate the production and depreciation of items, as equally as it depends on gankers, who destroy ships and increase demand..
      simply, dead exhumers result in production shifting to non-pvp item manufacture coupled with increased demand and decreased supply of materials. in the specific case of high sec exhumer death, exports to null sec will also be affected, and due to trit dependencies, capship construction will slow down.. there will be more battles fought over wormholes as highsec material demand increases and fleeing miners seek out safe mining havens.

      oh wait hold on minerbumping only targets ice miners.

      in which case none of this matters much. gallente fuel block prices increase but the loss is cushioned by alternative supply sources, specifically PI.

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    4. "it's a boring job that few "older players" have the patience for (otherwise they would not have gotten into pvp)
      also it's impossible for a few or even all the "older players" to replace systems full of equally old miners who instead of pvp have trained industrial their whole careers. (and it's equally ridiculous to make those miners fill the shoes of the old pvpers. the point is moot)

      I think you'd be surprised at how many people would get back into mining if it was in their best interests to do so, the major alliances already run mining ops to supply their industrialists with minerals and ice products. Yes it's a boring and not particularly profitable activity, but done in a fleet environment it can actually be quite a good laugh.

      "dead exhumers result in production shifting to non-pvp item manufacture coupled with increased demand and decreased supply of materials."

      Non PvP items? please name an item that can be manufactured in Eve that does not involve some sort of PvP (bear in mind that 99.9% of anything you can do in Eve is some form of PvP, including carebear activities.

      "there will be more battles fought over wormholes as highsec material demand increases and fleeing miners seek out safe mining havens."

      I presume that you are suggesting miners will move to wormholes for their mining activities? If you are then I suggest that you do some research on WH space Grav sites, they're not safe, they're not static and they require effort and time to A: find them, and B: clean them out. A WH corp is not going to let some random miners come into their home and plunder a grav site, they'll often clear it out themselves so that they get a different type of spawn to replace it. That's before you take into account the logistics issues of getting the ore out of the WH, it's not worth refining in a WH the efficency of a refining array is abysmal so people would be shipping ore out with haulers. Considering that WH Gravs are pretty random and may not appear for weeks or months at a time, WH mining just isn't worth it as a way of life, even if miners could find a WH chain with regularly spawning Grav sites, you still need a POS with multiple CHAs for storage and the means to secure and hold an exit long enough to get several hauler loads of ore out before the hole collapses. It's certainly possible, but the odds are against WH mining as a way of life, both in terms of how the game works and other players.

      Casa


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    5. That video was the funniest and cutest EVE-related thing I've ever seen. This girl and her father know how to keep the game in perspective. You can just imagine the miner they killed, throwing a tantrum over the loss, screaming of 'griefer! bully!'.

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    6. "That will teach you to steal our ice!"

      Exactly.

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    7. The next generation of Knights already in training. And they said we would fade away in a few months.

      Bing

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  8. Fuck the "market equilibrium". Down with the status quo!

    Just keep telling yourself you're valuable and you can mine better than everyone else. There seems to be a grave misconception prevalent among forum-carebears that not only can they affect mineral prices, but that we give a fuck. We are agents of change, we embrace it. Prices go up? Sounds good to me, my losses mean more, but my kills do too. Keeping EVE EVE. ;)

    -Pig

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  9. Last time i checked, ships and modules weren't made out of ice. So this whole "there be no ships for you to buy if you shoot us" thing makes no sense at all. Ice miners, you are contributing much, much less to the game than you might think. Your stuff fuels a handful of stations, which would otherwise be fueled by different means than highsec ice mining.

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    1. They proudly contribute a large volume of frivolous petitions. Whether such petitions are effective is up for discussion. Whether they *should* be effective is also up for discussion.

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    2. To be fair, ice products fuel our towers, which allows our coalition to have a ship replacement program that basically covers everything among many other things. It also fuels capitals so they can do things. That doesn't mean I won't kill them though, as their main argument of raising the cost either doesn't bother me in most cases, or outright benefits me.

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  10. According to CCP: "A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way."
    If NOBODY ever paid the mining indulgence, minerbumping would be considered griefers and would be banned. However, as long as they continue to make some money off of this, they can't be considered griefers.(CCP keeps track of all these transfers)
    At the same time, minerbumping claims that this 10m indulgence is not significant, which is paramount to admitting to griefing.

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    1. YAH I DON,T CARE WHAT CCP SEZ THESE GUYS ARE GREIFING PLANE AND SIMPLE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CAMPS FOR THEM LOLLOL :)

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    2. Actually, it's paramount to how silly it is to not pay a permit and lose all that isk and isk making opportunity while you forget to check in to your computer and reship.

      Since 10mil isk is a profit, and the reason the Code gets enforced... NOT paying it is on your head (the miner).

      Enjoy.

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    3. That is our ice you are stealing. Ice we hold in trust for all players of Eve. Stealing it griefs all players.

      Listen to the 7 year old girl, and stop stealing ice.

      Do the right thing and pay for your permit.

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    4. No - this definition could easily encompass almost any non-consensual PVP activity in EVE, including wardeccing and gatecamping. Sometimes they make an incidental profit, and oftentimes they don't.

      The problem is not with the activities, it's with the victim mentality of the unimaginative players on the receiving end.

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    5. Whats this non-consensual pvp?
      When was it introduced?

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  11. I am pleased to summarize what all the miners are saying in their hearts:

    http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

    Music please~ :D

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  12. It only matters if we're seeking profit, not if we actually get it. Are you retarded or something?

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  13. If the small advertising agencies want to make profit out of this kind of rpg games, they should've find a more interesting theme for a game. Sometimes what captures the audiences or gamers' attention is how they present this on them.

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