Though no one can read Falcon's mind, intelligent observers concluded that this request for feedback was the prelude to a ban on miner bumping. If so, the thread was put in the wrong subforum. EVE General Discussion, a carebear stronghold and by far the most active subforum on EVE-O, was not chosen as the location for the feedback. Instead, the thread was posted in Crime & Punishment, where emergent-friendly EVE players frequent.
To shield the larger part of the community from being exposed to miner bumping, threads about the subject were frequently shipped off to the frozen wastes of less-populated subforums. My original thread about my takeover of Halaima, for example, was packed away to the Sell Orders subforum, despite the subforum's rules that only in-game items may be sold in it--and I'm pretty sure mining permits don't qualify. When I drew up a new version of the thread, it was removed to the Intergalactic Summit subforum. But the few residents of Intergalactic Summit were displeased, because it's a roleplaying subforum with its own strict rules. Since my Halaima thread made references to EVE being a video game, it was petitioned by concerned RP'ers. Thus, the thread was moved yet again, to Crime & Punishment. This set the precedent that led to the community feedback thread being placed exactly where it would receive the most pro-bumping feedback possible.
In accordance with the thread's pre-arranged timetable, Falcon locked it in mid-December so the senior GMs could make a final determination on the legality of miner bumping. All miner bumping-related conversation was temporarily declared off-limits for some reason while the GMs conferred on this grave matter. And then, just when it seemed like the day of reckoning would never come, "senior game master" GM Karidor issued the long-awaited announcement in this thread.
The decision? Long story short, miner bumping is alive and well, and here to stay.
There are a few caveats, but they're essentially meaningless because they don't change any of the preexisting rules regarding harassment and/or bumping. Here are the relevant bits:
"CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit."This gives us free reign to bump. Now, regarding the possibility of bumping as a tool for harassment, from the OP and an additional reply made by Karidor downthread:
"However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis...This simply means that if you follow the same person from system to system, region to region, and continue to target that one person for bumping, it may considered harassment. CCP doesn't want you to camp an individual for his or her entire EVE career, in other words. This has always been the rule, and has no applicability to the New Order, since we don't do such things and never have.
"If you are reported and we find you actively following around a target without a war to continue bumping a specific player, it will still (at some point) considered harassment, even if you divert your 'attention' a little while doing so...
"While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents)...
"If the victim just moved next door, that could still be interpreted as 'general area of operation', if the miner starts changing regions and is still being followed around by the same person that keeps bumping in a regular manner then the intent is pretty clear."
So after all the sound and fury, there's no change to the rules on bumping. Yet it's a significant development. The whining carebears of highsec have spent year after year demanding and receiving all kinds of nerfs to highsec aggression. When the barge buff of '12 brought miner ganking to "historic lows", the miners turned their complaints toward miner bumping. Hundreds, thousands of petitions have been filed. The carebears made all the same moves against bumping as they did against everything else. They filled EVE-O with their complaints. An official inquiry was launched.
This time, however, we had a new experience. CCP said "no".
The carebears were outmatched and outfought on the forums. They were finally rebuffed by CCP, the tool with which the carebears have beaten down so many good and proper game mechanics. The carebears received that measure of disappointment which they have so often meted out to others.
Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
So let's celebrate with a bumper fleet!
WHEN: Sunday, February 3rd at 21:00 EVEtime (4:00pm Eastern)
WHERE: Brapelille ice field
Everyone who can fly a ship is invited. We shall assemble our Stabbers, our SFIs, our Machariels and Fleet Typhoons and comedy ships of all kinds. We'll meet at the historic Brapelille ice field, birthplace of Agent BillMurray and the site of the ruins of Gallente highsec's former ice mining capital. And from there, we'll tour some other notable spots. Enjoy the celebration. You've earned it.
This was my all time favorite thread on the Eve forums. I just went back and perused it again for old times sake. Quite eye opening to look at it now in its entirety.ReplyDelete
The way the Agents swarmed it and just destroyed every anti bump post. Mallak, Murk, GP, Alana, Zak, the admiral all coming at it in their own style. Jonah too as the reasonable miner.
And there were our usual opponents, Anslo of course, CAPT Lynch made an appearance, and then there was 87102-6, the rebel miner who bio-massed himself in despair mid thread.
The ebb and flow is epic. Who can forget the massive post editing massacre by ISD Tyrozan? Some of my threads had nothing but my smiling face. The attempt to hijack the thread to be about freighter bumping? And the couple days when every post seemed to be by a Goon?
Our Code is just and our bumping EULA worthy so victory was never in doubt. Yet, it is good to see what we did there. Never forget.
I don't suppose it would be possible to reschedule the bumping fleet? the CSM is holding a Q&A regarding the summer expansion and general CSM stuff. It would be hard to pick between the two, New order, or CSM questions.ReplyDelete
Its easy who has brought so much change in so few months?Delete
Yeah okay the CSM have claimed their little victories but CCP was going to do it anyway.
Besides James with 100% of all empire has had a massive voter turnout compared to the CSM voters.
Be at the in game event and listen/read the csm stuff later.
I've been busy for the past month, but I'll be making it to this!ReplyDelete
More on topic, it's great to see the GMs double-down on their opinion of bumping. I've only bumped in my entire tenure with the New Order and intend to keep it so. If my ability to bump were taken away, then the non-violent arm of the New Order would be unable to warn miners that payment is necessary.
I've been threatened, petitioned, and even attacked for my efforts, but it's a necessary evil to do my job. Imagine if we only blew up offenders, we would just be another Highsec ganking crew! Our bumping is a community outreach, designed to bring Highsec together under the protection of our Supreme Protector.
Celebrate our victory this Sunday with us in Brapelille! Friend or foe, this party will be...Bumpin'.
A Ghostbuster and miner bumper! Awesome.Delete
"Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."ReplyDelete
Might this be a Wheel of Time reference :)?
Bring Festival Launchers and Fireworks!ReplyDelete
Looking forward to such an auspicious occasion. Fireworks will be brought :)ReplyDelete
finally CCP came back to their senses !ReplyDelete
HTFU or GTFO
Hey, I can see my Omen from here.ReplyDelete
Yes, I still have it.
\o/ I can hear the carebear moans and groans reverberating through my monitor.ReplyDelete
Victory for the New Order.
Super Bowl Sunday. 365 days in a year, and it HAS to fall on Super FRICKIN' Bowl Sunday.ReplyDelete
What's a Super Bowl Sunday?Delete
Just a question, is a brutix a viable bumping ship? I heard it was, but I wnted to get he experts opinion.ReplyDelete
A Brutix would work. A Talos would probably be better - greater mass, greater base speed & agility.Delete
Can someone post a quick Stabber fit just for that occasion, please?ReplyDelete