EVE Online is a sandbox game. Specifically, it's a competitive PvP sandbox game. Like all sandboxes, there are boundaries: The game mechanics, the EULA, the Code, etc. But the game is largely defined by the people who choose to play it. In other words, we make the rules. As such, the way to "learn" the rules of EVE is by engaging with other players. Consider these kills from the week of February 22nd @ 00:00 EVEtime through February 28th @ 23:59 EVEtime. Each kill is the manifestation of one player teaching a lesson to another player about how EVE is meant to be played.
X-FEANOR is one of highsec's most troubled pupils. Check his record; he's really struggling. X-FEANOR lost a 10 billion isk pod to our Agents not once but twice, along with several freighters. And he still yearns to be taught. Here, Agents Globby, deathtron, Sasha Cohenberg, Sipphakta en Gravonere, Lisa Tears, Matou83, dude there's my-pod, PuffPuff Passitleft, Sinigr Shadowsong, Kachiko Sama, Mildron Klinker, Weynard, GALLENTE CITIZEN 17090130, BAE B BLUE, Denavit, Eure Dincigkeit, Pod-Goo RepoWoman, rob Kavees, Ghuleh Idolatrine, and Hek Arbosa destroyed another of his expensive freighters.
And ol' X-FEANOR is still up to his old tricks--or maybe even worse tricks. One never knows how long it will take a carebear to learn his lesson, but one thing is certain: X-FEANOR is always good for a nice, expensive killmail. If you're looking for someone to put on your watchlist, this carebear comes highly recommended.
According to Angus200's bio, he is a "pedofile in a playground". Maybe that's just a joke, and I have no problem with people putting a joke or two in their bio. But what's interesting about Angus200's bio is that he gives all this space to jokes, but won't spare a line or two to praise me, link the Code, or something else that's positive. You really have to wonder about the motivations of a player like that. Is he in it for the community, or only for himself?
Based on the carebear's bio, Agents Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri, Chocolate Mooses, Mildron Klinker, Jason Kusion, Braegnok, Aaaarrgg, Dirk Magnum, The Occidental, deathtron, Pod-Goo RepoWoman, Lament von Gankenheim, PI Slave 004, BAE B BLUE, Samsa, Ghuleh Idolatrine, and Hek Arbosa assembled to destroy his Orca. It contained a Hulk, but no longer.
What do you know--another pilot in highsec was sporting an offensive bio this week! Nyar DarkFire's bio contained statements at least as provocative as calling one's self a pedophile. He was doomed before he left the station.
Nyar's Orthrus was worth 430 million isk, a tidy sum for a self-described new player. Agent Piz Caldera kept a close eye on this individual. When the time was right, he struck. Remember, miners: You can mine wherever you want in lowsec, but if you choose to mine in highsec, it's on my terms.
Now let's have a look at some pods. Jaffar Aqueen had a billion isk of implants hidden in his pod, which was spat out by his dead freighter. Agent Aaaarrgg snapped up the pod. There were many more expensive pods killed this week. Why was this one special?
Because it was Aaaarrgg's 5,000th podkill. No typo; he's killed five thousand of them. Consider how easy it is to escape with a pod in highsec (spam "warp"). That should tell you how much bot-aspirancy is out there.
Ixidor Zorander lost 4.1 billion isk worth of implants when Agent Haleuth caught him on a stargate. It's an impressive killmail. Still, it's the most common way an expensive pod is located and destroyed. Which brings us to this...
Malikai Hephote lost a staggering 5.5 billion isk pod to Agent Reginald Poppycock. Malikai was AFK at the time. But to understand the depths of Malikai's bot-aspirancy, we must look at the ship he was holding the pod within. Was it a shuttle? An orca? An anti-tanked freighter?
No. It was this. He needed 5.5 billion isk in implants to pilot this Retriever. There are no words.
The next time some libertine carebear goes on a rant about the "sandbox", point him to kills like these. There is a right way and a wrong way to play EVE. Would you like to know more? Download your own copy of the Code for free today.
Congrats on the 5,000th pod kill Agent Aaaarrgg! Here's to 5,000 more! o7ReplyDelete
"We are in danger of destroying ourselves by our greed and stupidity" ~Stephen HawkingReplyDelete
I'm glad there is a force like CODE. that is fighting back against the greed and stupidity, even if it is a battle that will never end. "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." ~Frank Zappa
Also one of my favorite quotes from Stephen Hawking is this. "I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image."ReplyDelete
Wrong again jamie...I mine in HighSec and I do it on MY terms, not yours...ReplyDelete
I was thinking some of these kills might be Veers alts but honestly Veers doesn't have all that much isk to spend on repeated 5bil pods. i'd be surprised if Veers had a bil across all his toons as afk incursions doesn't payout all that much.ReplyDelete
lol...we went from Veers has thousands of alts to Veers, an avowed elite PvE player, is poor. What will the code idiots come up with next time?Delete
Its in their mantra to keep repeating stupid things till someone believes its true.Delete
A perfect example of this is Ming, he thinks if he says the same dumb things over and over that they will become true.
I don't know what I'm more smug about... The fact that I've made you angry enough in other threads to make you start up here before I've even gotten to the party, or the fact that you -just now- said the same sentence twice, while complaining that Agents of the New Order repeat themselves.Delete
It's like I've arrived to a smorgasbord of smug. Also, your post contains a spelling error.
You're not gonna take that from him are you, anon 1:31? You gonna let him walk all over you like that?Delete
Actully, if it makes ming feel better ill let him be smug about it, after all he dosent have much else going for him in his life.Delete
Ming Tso, the EVE whore #1 and for sure the worst person out of game and the biggest coward there is.Delete
Really wish all your family will die a really prolonged painful death that you are forced to watch.
Now who's the bigger coward, Ming or the poster thats hiding behind an anonymous name?Delete
Hudas Not Pay, so you mean Ming is his/her real name?Delete
You are as stupid as EVE players can get.
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Regardless, there's something wrong with a person who's wishing death and torture on people who are not involved.Delete
(is what I said, but I wanted to add...)
...not that I approve of wishing death and torture on people in any case.
And yet, it's so common among miners. Incidents like that person attacking how Loyalanon raises his kid (attacks up to and including accusing loyal of hitting or sexually abusing his children), people saying they wish we'd die horribly painful deaths IRL, people threatening to find who we are in real life and actually, physically murder us...all of these are not exceptions, they're the rule. This is how EvE carebears are, because this is what excessive carebearism and bot-aspirancy do to people. Bot-aspirancy is the cause, and this kind of overly-awful behavior is the effect. You're not going to be able to fix carebear behavior by chastising them directly for it; first, you must address the cause.Delete
"Maria Malukker March 2, 2015 at 2:04 PM"Delete
But it's true, I also heard that you helped him rape his kids.
Well i would not go as far as to say what anon @ 5:10 said above about ming, but i did notice one thing just now and had to double to check to make sure.ReplyDelete
Ming talks and posts so much on here trying to make himself look like he is a huge supporter of CODE., yet he hasent even paid for 1 single share. Some of the other frequent posters like say maria, alanna, and others have paid for what even i will admit is respectible numbers of shares, but not ming. At least the other members of CODE. show james some respect.
Here is a challenge ming, buy 1,000 shares from james, then maybe someone here will respect you a bit. Surely your at least that much of a supporter, right?
By the same logic, why haven't you contributed to Held's new anti-CODE movement? He's actually causing measurable damage. 1B of yours in his hands would surely be more destructive to the people you hate than shiptoasting in a comment thread.Delete
Oh? That's interesting, if true. I may have to turn down my skepticism a notch or two.Delete
I just checked out Held's anti-CODE website, and you've gotta give him props: he's well-spoken, and seems determined. Let's see where he is in 6 months though, before we get too excited. Still, it's nice to see a carebear taking action! Hell, he may even be successful in getting carebears to be at their keyboard and actually playing the game. And if hatred of the Code motivates carebears to tank their ships, play socially, and be at their keyboards, that's yet another Code victory.Delete
The Code ALWAYS wins! ALWAYS!!
I honestly am waiting to see what he's going to do, as well.Delete
So far I've heard the following:
1. "You carebears all have failed because you attempt to do solo things on gates, and have no security. You're basically morons. That's not an insult, that's just the truth. Therefore you should give me director level control of your corps, because only I have the expertise and vigor needed to bring down the New Order."
2. "Carebears don't like to get involved, I'm finding. It's like pulling teeth out here to get them to pony up their cash to someone who can actually do something!"
3. Goes through The Code, uses "Find and Replace," calls it "New Code"
4. Something something interceptors and fast frigates vOv
I'll admit I haven't read everything on his site, just the latest post. He copies a lot of James' style (both for writing, and for website layout), but sets himself up as the complete opposite. It seems like something that might get carebears to join up, possibly give him control of their corp, then go back to being AFK.Delete
My ideal scenario involves Held receiving control of some carebear corps, getting frustrated because he is literally the only person online and at his keyboard regularly, then stealing all the corps and assets and bringing them over to the New Order. We converted Gorila Venganza, I'm pretty sure after some time spent getting to know the people he's trying to rally, Held will also come over to us. It is inevitable.
Maria Malukker, dreaming again?Delete
The two biggest idiots in Code have spoken.
Let's just wait and see what Held does, shall we Anon@3:59? Seems more productive than calling strangers idiots.Delete
Well, there are some who believe that Held is already an Agent of the New Order in disguise, as he seems to take particular pleasure in qualifying his anti-New-Order credentials against those of past "failed" rebellions;Delete
"But I've found one common thread among them- their strategies and tactics generally completely suck, and they are completely naive. And I don't mean any of this as any sort of personal attack or flame, it's simply the truth." -Held
And then there is this post, which seems to suspiciously paint him in a pro-New Order light...
I guess we will see.
Oh my god, he literally wrote out Miner Bingo squares as his recruitment speech. That is just adorable.Delete
"Maria Malukker March 2, 2015 at 4:03 PM"Delete
? you are no stranger, you are the EVE whore
As much as I like the idea of an alliance of this sort, the heroes of highsec website does not inspire my trust. It's barely off the ground and already drafting draconian rules for potential members. He intends to maintain 100% control of everything.Delete
I haven't seen it mentioned, but James 315 owns hardly any shares in the new order. He doesn't have iron-fist control, but instead stands on the virtue of his platform. He grew his following by doing.
I'd be more interested in joining up with someone who had less grandeur. Even if it were just one person who liked flying frigates for a cause. Sure, we'd probably lose more than we won, but in the end it's better to spend time with people you like and struggle than it is to be miserable in your success.
The website makes the alliance look impersonal. Focused on victory over being friendly. Just... not what I'm looking for.
Funny fact of the day - did you knew that Guristas rats do fight bot aspirancy much better than the New Order? They silently jam AFK miners, making them lose lock on asteroids. No tears, no permit bullshit, just honest and hard work.ReplyDelete
Quite right there uncompliant miner.Delete
@ maria and 290xanaots, at least you both paid for shares. I give you both a bit of respect for that.
@ 290xanaots Nope, i dont support either side of CODE., not its open side or its fake enemies.
@ Ming Still not going to buy shares? I love the way you totaly avoided that question. BTW, what exacaly do you do for CODE. other then doing lots of posts here? No shares bought, no miners ganked, heck, you dont even have any pvp activity on ming in the past 8 or so months.
And I quote, from the Become an Agent tab on this website:
"The New Order transcends corporations, alliances, and coalitions. There's no membership application or skill requirement to join. Everyone in EVE who takes any action to support our cause is an Agent of the New Order.
Already, there are Agents everywhere: Players who joined the game less than a week ago, anxiously training up bumping skills. Players who have been around since the Beta who are looking for something new. Players who trade in Jita 4-4 and never undock. Players who pirate, scam, grief, can-flip and wardec for a living. Industrialists and mission-runners who want to liven up their home systems. Players living deep in nullsec who can't remember the last time they've been to highsec,
->Players who live on the forums and can't remember the last time they've logged in."<-
I hope this answers your question.
Although, this may be changing Soon™.
I can also quote from the same Become an agent tab ming :)ReplyDelete
- Become a shareholder. By contributing isk to the cause, you don't merely purchase a voting interest and get in on the ground floor of a growing enterprise--our Shareholders take a stand. Being listed as supporters of the New Order, they strike fear into the hearts of disobedient miners and Code violators everywhere.
Of course if you being an agent means your so poor that you cant buy any shares of new order stock, well we will all understand ming.
P.S. we also will understand if your just not that into supporting CODE. No shame in that ming.
First Veers had that crush on DJ, now M has a crush on Ming. I'm a little jealous, when will I get my very own carebear paramour?Delete
awwww.....we all love you maria....quirky and weird as you are, but we still love you. At least you got shares of new order, thats a good thing! :)Delete
*gives maria a hug*
"Maria Malukker March 2, 2015 at 6:51 PM"Delete
Since you are the EVE whore you should have plenty of dicks to suck.
Haha Maria, I think you might have your own carebear paramour after all!Delete
Granted, it doesn't appear that you got the bottom of the barrel, but at least you won't feel left out!
Im almost tempted to buy a single share of new order stock, just to be able to tell ming i have supported new order more then him, but i dont like to support criminal groups. Still, i am tempted.Delete
Yet again, the carebear obsession with money makes me sad. It seems that carebear Anons truly are incapable of understanding that it is possible to contribute to the New Order with things other than money. I considered myself an Agent long before I could afford to buy shares in the Order, and the reason I consider myself an Agent today isn't because of how much I've been fortunate enough to be able to give. Yet all you carebears can see is money, and all you can understand as a valuable contribution is money. It's more than a little sad.Delete
The obsession with quantifiable statistics is present in plenty of other MMOs. I don't play too many, but the theme park model seems to be the current preference of the industry. By repeating activity X ad nauseium you get trinkets that let you move on to repeating activity Y, and so on. I find that boring, and my game experience there has been fraught with 'carebears' of a different type. Ones who boil down an instance to a formula and rage at the slightest deviation from what they think is the most efficient means to their next grind.Delete
While the obsession with money is a valid point, I have to wonder if it's more generic. A need to have a quantifiable statistic to determine if they are 'winning' the game, then applying that standard to others because it's the only one they can think of. The game does not give you points or have a stat for "Are you having a good time?" and so people forget about it, and grind ISK instead.
Do you know what "Undecuple" means?
This obsession with quantifiable statistics as a measure of "winning" and "success" is absolutely present in other MMOs as well, and it is a scourge in them as it is in EvE. Mistaking "making a number go up" with "fun" is a bug in the human psyche, one which often leads players to extremely self-destructive behavior as they grind away everything that makes them human in an effort to "win" by having the largest numbers. In most MMOs this behavior cannot be interrupted or corrected by other players, and it results in a largely unhealthy playerbase, as people get caught in that loop and encourage others to be caught in it as well. EvE is, thankfully, different from these other MMOs. In EvE, if you see someone caught in that loop of (and let's call a spade a spade here) bot-aspirancy, there is one thing you can do to break them out of it: you can shoot them in the face, and force them to stop and look around themselves.
Excessive PvE play causes harm to the carebears, as it causes harm to the EvE economy and to the game as a whole. It encourages greed, obsession with money and assets as the basis of social hierarchy, and joy-less, soul-crushing grinding for more isk. We are fortunate that, through James, we have found a way to help these lost souls cast off the shackles of their self-destructive bot-aspirancy. That method of freeing them is, of course, the Code.
It is untrue that the behavior can not be corrected in the other MMOs. I play one of those other MMOs and I was able to teach a person or two the value of having a good time. I'll concede that it rarely happens and that it's difficult to achieve, but there are ways of getting through to people that don't involve shooting them in the face.Delete
I say I like mining, but I suppose I don't like the act of mining per se. What I like about it is that it's a nominally productive thing I can do that still leaves me able to engage other people in system who might have something to say. If people are talking a lot, I'll listen, or if someone waves, I wave back so that space isn't as lonely a place for them. Dunno if they care that much, but I know I like it when someone bothers to reply. I'm watching Local, but not to avoid ganks. I'm just looking for interesting people.
I'm never going to buy a billion ISK of implants and fancy pants mining laser upgrades. Probably I'll never have that much money, anyway, but I feel like I could PvE forever and not grind away my humanity. I wouldn't want to do it in a vacuum devoid of other players, though.
Where I see eye to eye with CODE is that bots are bad. I can't talk to them, they're not interesting people, and they make Hisec feel cold. "Do I try talking to anyone in system? Nah, they're probably all AFK." That sort of thing.
I'm not for more danger in Hisec as such, but I would be in favor of a nerf bat to its profitability, at least as far as miners go. Nerf hisec and move those assets to losec. I'd be fine with mining for peanuts if I'm going to stay in a safe zone. I'd like to see a significant jump in ore quality, though, to go with the significant increase in risk for leaving hisec. (I don't care if they achieve that by nerfing hisec, buffing losec, or a combination of the two. Just that the balance is established.)
CODE is interesting. I could pay 10 million ISK and mine in relative peace, I suppose, but then there'd be fewer people trying to probe me out or talk to me, and in that respect, perhaps buying a permit would be doing myself a disservice. Being added as a contact with good standing by PvP players because I was nice to them is something that makes me happy, when it happens.
*ramble ramble ramble* ^^;
I respect what it is you do for EvE. My differences of opinion don't change that.
While it is technically possible to correct a non-zero number of people in other MMOs, it is not possible to effect the large-scale changes in culture required to save them. And in EvE, those large-scale changes cannot be effected through purely non-violent means, unfortunately. We are not here to vainly implore entrenched carebears to please stop harming themselves through grinding, and maybe get one or two of them as the rest grind themselves (and EvE) to perdition. We are here to save a game we love, and save every single carebear from their self-destructive tendencies.Delete
To be fair, we are not strictly speaking in favor of more danger in highsec, at least not for its own sake. We just want there to be a reasonable risk-reward balance, one which encourages people to get out of highsec and into the interesting areas of space, like wormhole space, or null, or lowsec. Highsec is, in very many ways, risk-free. In order to make the risk-reward balance reasonable without increasing risk, it would need to also become reward-free. As in, no incursions, no mission agents above level 2, asteroids an order of magnitude (or more) less profitable than those in lowsec or nullsec. I would personally be perfectly ok with leaving highsec as safe as it is and instituting these changes, but I'm also realistic enough to know that this kind of change would never come about; carebears would whine too much, too loudly, and CCP is (for whatever reason) frightened of them. So introducing some risk, any risk to highsec, seems like a more reasonable short-term goal.